Serious Question: How does ISUs football recruiting look so far?

[Frak]

Just trying to be honest, Anthons had has ranked 16 of out 16 in the conference, I saw today, for projected finish, said we do not return a player they stated from last season.
What positive have you found in the program since Cambell left? We hired a coach that looks good on paper, no problem with that, but it's going to take him some time to find the players that suit his style of play. We do not have a billionaire or two to throw money for kids in the portal for NIL.

This is not basketball where we lost a lot of talent, but then reloaded with even better talent and the same head coach at the helm of the program.


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Let's not kid ourselves, this is going to be a rebuilding year, and next year will most likely be the same.

If you mean rebuilding year like 6-6 or 5-7, I agree with you. I just think that rebuilding a gutted program these days is completely different than it was even 3 years ago. If you have money available and a good eye for talent, you can put together a winning roster in a year or two at most.

 

[State2015]

Safe to say the guys on the team this year either really want to be at ISU or really want to prove themselves. Should be a fun team to root for regardless of record

 

[clydeclone]

If we can make an entire game without a false start penalty I consider the season a win.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

If you mean rebuilding year like 6-6 or 5-7, I agree with you. I just think that rebuilding a gutted program these days is completely different than it was even 3 years ago. If you have money available and a good eye for talent, you can put together a winning roster in a year or two at most.

That is what I am hoping for, unlike Mr.Gspot that thinks we are going to be the next Indiana, and playoff bound. You know the half full glass type of people. Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

But I also know we turned over the entire team, we do not have a large booster to help throw money at players to get them to come here. Everyone these days wants to point to Indiana and tell us that everyone can do it, then how come most don't?

Rogers has had three years at as head coach, two years at S.D. State and one year at Washington St, and was 33-9 in those two stops. Cignetti had coached 13 years as a head coach before coming to Indiana, was 53-17 at IUP, 14-9 at Elon, 52-9 at James Madison, comparing the two is not fair to Rogers.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

That is what I am hoping for, unlike Mr.Gspot that thinks we are going to be the next Indiana, and playoff bound. You know the half full glass type of people. Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

But I also know we turned over the entire team, we do not have a large booster to help throw money at players to get them to come here. Everyone these days wants to point to Indiana and tell us that everyone can do it, then how come most don't?

Rogers has had three years at as head coach, two years at S.D. State and one year at Washington St, and was 33-9 in those two stops. Cignetti had coached 13 years as a head coach before coming to Indiana, was 53-17 at IUP, 14-9 at Elon, 52-9 at James Madison, comparing the two is not fair to Rogers.

Why plan for the worst?

What was his record at SDSU?

Please reread what I have said before u summarize what I didn't say.

U are grumpy today. Stick to facts or opinions that can be supported. Lol.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Why plan for the worst?

What was his record at SDSU?

Please reread what I have said before u summarize what I didn't say.

U are grumpy today. Stick to facts or opinions that can be supported. Lol.

You implied we are going to be the next Indiana and Cignetti. Rogers was 27 and 3 at SD, the year before he took the job they 14-1 and the national champion and the year before that 11-4. Lets stop comparing him to Cignetti who took over a dead program and took it to heights never seen before to a coach that took over a team coming off an national championship the year before and then kept it going.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

You implied we are going to be the next Indiana and Cignetti. Rogers was 27 and 3 at SD, the year before he took the job they 14-1 and the national champion and the year before that 11-4. Lets stop comparing him to Cignetti who took over a dead program and took it to heights never seen before to a coach that took over a team coming off an national championship the year before and then kept it going.

You're the one that compared them. And I didn't imply anything of the such.

 

[nhclone]

You implied we are going to be the next Indiana and Cignetti. Rogers was 27 and 3 at SD, the year before he took the job they 14-1 and the national champion and the year before that 11-4. Lets stop comparing him to Cignetti who took over a dead program and took it to heights never seen before to a coach that took over a team coming off an national championship the year before and then kept it going.

I have no interest in joining this conversation, but Cignetti's history when he got hired at IU is very similiar to Rogers currently.

 

[Frak]

You implied we are going to be the next Indiana and Cignetti. Rogers was 27 and 3 at SD, the year before he took the job they 14-1 and the national champion and the year before that 11-4. Lets stop comparing him to Cignetti who took over a dead program and took it to heights never seen before to a coach that took over a team coming off an national championship the year before and then kept it going.

Honestly, THE difference between ISU and Indiana is Mark Cuban. We don't have a billionaire willing to drop a bunch of money on our NIL. But, I do think that Rogers can spot talent and develop it. SDSU was good when he took over, but it wasn't NDSU. And his last SDSU team could have beaten a lot of P4 teams. WSU hung right with Ole Miss despite having an almost brand new roster. I think that Rogers can do some good things here, but we also don't have WSU's schedule. Would be ecstatic with 6-6.

 

[Kettes]

Ok, let's hope for the best this year; but remember to wear the nut cup. Does that work for everyone?

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

I won’t make judgements on recruiting until we have a good feel for the style of play Rogers will use

I'm trying to be optimistic but if we play the style of football I believe we will (smash mouth, I-formation) -- that isn't very attractive for elite CFB talent in 2026.

Hoping that whatever play style we have, it's effective.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Just trying to be honest, Anthons had has ranked 16 of out 16 in the conference, I saw today, for projected finish, said we do not return a player they stated from last season.
What positive have you found in the program since Cambell left? We hired a coach that looks good on paper, no problem with that, but it's going to take him some time to find the players that suit his style of play. We do not have a billionaire or two to throw money for kids in the portal for NIL.

This is not basketball where we lost a lot of talent, but then reloaded with even better talent and the same head coach at the helm of the program.

Let's not kid ourselves, this is going to be a rebuilding year, and next year will most likely be the same.

The fact you rely on something like Athlon for anything is telling.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

The fact you rely on something like Athlon for anything is telling.

I wasn't relying on anything, just stating where they have them ranked. Please give us a rundown of other places that have us challenging for the conference title this year. I think 6 wins would be a heck of a season, but I do get the feeling some are expecting a lot more than that, implying we are Indiana without Cuban. We really do not know if Rogers has a great eye for talent or not, it's all hoping he does.

Let's watch this season, before we decide we have found the next great coach at ISU or something else.

 

[Clark]

I have no interest in joining this conversation, but Cignetti's history when he got hired at IU is very similiar to Rogers currently.

It is? I'm not sure they could be more dissimilar

One guy had been coaching for 40 years before getting his current job, the other guy won't turn 40 until after year 1 of his current job.

One guy had 2 stops (3 including GA) before his current job, the other guy had 9 (10 including GA)

One guy had been a head coach for 13 years before his current job, the other guy has been a head coach for 3 years

None of that has any bearing on whether or not Rogers will be successful at Iowa State but they have not had anywhere near similar career paths.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

I really hope we can get to 5 or 6 wins this coming year, but outside of last year at WSU and this year at ISU being complete rebuilds, there is no doubt Rogers is facing a much more difficult schedule. At WSU he was 1-4 against P4 teams, beating Oregon State after losing to them earlier in the year, they played twice. The 5 other wins were all teams playing at a lower level, that is not the schedule ISU has this year, 10 P4 opponents are on the schedule.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I have no interest in joining this conversation, but Cignetti's history when he got hired at IU is very similiar to Rogers currently.

What?

Cignetti got his first FBS AC job two years before Jimmy Rogers was born.

 

[Erik4Cy]

Fwiw - I stopped looking at stars or recruiting rankings awhile ago and instead judged how recruiting was going based on who else was offering.

If teams with good programs/cultures/coaches/etc. wanted the guys we got committed, this usually meant things will go well in the coming years.

If it's a lot of losing record/losing coaches/programs that were offering (or only FCS offers) it usually meant times were tough.

It's cool if you find a few diamonds in the rough with no big offers (Jake Knott always came to mind) but you cannot build a solid class/program of nothing but taking flyers on a hope they overproduce like that.

 

[demoncore1031]

I think one thing that is a bit unique with this class is how many players this staff is going to have switch positions compared to what they play in high school.

Moser: dual threat QB moving to WR
Aagesen: DL moving to OT
Wooden: WR moving to DB
Bergfeld: RB moving to LB

Some of these guys have played offense and defense in high school. Moser has primary played QB but has played WR a little bit. Pretty sure Aagesen plays both sides of the ball. Not sure about the other two.

 

[Drew0311]

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, we're getting a few guys with lots of other offers. On the other hand, we're also getting too many guys who have not so many offers. Our QB commit is one example of that, and he seems a stretch to me. His stats don't just jump off the page. Our most recent WR commit seems to be a better QB than our QB commit.

They seem to be emphasizing speed over height at the WR position, which is definitely different than the previous regime and maybe a good trend, but the previous regime also signed two guys that had both size and speed in Eskeldsen and Overby.

They seem to be good at finding and signing interior defensive line guys, which the previous staff also seemed to be able to do but not quite to the extent that this staff does. We've had trouble recruiting at that particular position in the past and some years we'd be lucky to have three DTs on the squad, two of whom started out as DEs and were grown into DTs. At least, that's the way it felt at times.

But overall, I'm a tad disappointed in recruiting. This class is ranked in the 50s nationally, which is not going to get us where we want to be. If we get some of the guys who are looking at us signed, that could change, but I'm a little luke warm on the class so far.

I don't get much into recruiting. However, the one good thing is we can take a flyer on a quarterback who might be under the radar a bit. We will never play 4 quarterbacks at once. So if this kid does not have the goods, he can leave after one year. So I don't mind it as much. As far as recruiting. Recruiting with a new coach is usually one of two ways. Either they come in and are on fire and everyone is singing their praises and then they just taper off the next few years or a coach comes in and starts to build the team he wants without much fan fare. I think Jimmy is more of a team builder and not a Deon Sanders, who came in and snagged 5 stars left and right and then flamed after year two.

Also, with the transfer portal, it's kind of hard to get excited about football recruiting like I used to do. I get more excited about Transfer recruiting.

 

[Clonealways]

Just trying to be honest, Anthons had has ranked 16 of out 16 in the conference, I saw today, for projected finish, said we do not return a player they stated from last season.
What positive have you found in the program since Cambell left? We hired a coach that looks good on paper, no problem with that, but it's going to take him some time to find the players that suit his style of play. We do not have a billionaire or two to throw money for kids in the portal for NIL.

This is not basketball where we lost a lot of talent, but then reloaded with even better talent and the same head coach at the helm of the program.

Let's not kid ourselves, this is going to be a rebuilding year, and next year will most likely be the same.

First, I used to live for Althlon and Phil Steele, etc. Years ago. I now seek more current data, not yesterday's news.

Second, that information is wrong, but not without merit. Defensively, Hawk and Gilbert played at a Big 12 level and started games on the defensive line. Willich started when healthy, Goodwin and Barnes played at LB, Surges was a part-time starter at safety. Coffey started several games after the injuries to three corners. Magazines, taking the lazy route, look at who started game 1 and who is now back.

Additionally, there are a dozen +/- from a very good Wazzu defense. At all levels. Looking at the metrics, they have the makings of a defense that is good - B12 level good.

Special teams is potentially excellent. Konrardy looked to have a big leg in the spring and accurate. The punters looked to have talen, needing more consistency. The snapper was strong. We have 2 kick returners that have shown they can house it.

Offense is NOT at those levels. But Overby is experienced, fast, and hands looked immensely improved in the spring. Roskop played a lot as a blocker. The OL (along with DL) is where $ was invested and it showed. The lie moved together well at the spring thing (I refuse to gall it a game.) Has size and D1 experience and smaller school elite success.

WR has brought in speed. And success at lower levels. Good mix of styles and lots of bodies to help on special teams.

QB looks good to me. Raynor gave us fits last year and Flores played a lot of B12 ball, albeit in a very dysfunctional, but traditionally strong, offensive program. Moberly looks good, but is inexperienced. I, for one, am not worried about the position.

TE has bodies but is really dependent on Fortenberry being a hit. Good news he has a connection with Raynor. Roskop is leader, hopefully. Position is shaky-ish.

As is Running back. Top talent is good, imo, in Flores and Pettaway. But unproven and so valuable in special teams it has to be concerning. So much depends on the health of Francois and Peppers and the late transfer, who i still don't see on the roster.

And schedule is front-loaded, so Rocky start may be facing us. But it is not barren. If you want 16th, I will take that bet.