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Kyle Busch Dies at 41

Raiders70 said:
Something doesn't completely add up. You don't just go about your day to day activities with severe pnuemonia. You might not go to the doctor but you would be really, really sick. Sounds like it was business as usual Monday and Tuesday before his collapse. Would love to see the medical notes up until his death which of course because of HIPPA we will never see. Sepsis is very serious but a healthy 41 year old almost always survives it with aggressive, proper medical care.
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Guy is a race car driver who is used to having his body feel like **** and pushing through. Combine that with some access to meds and it’s not that weird. Also these things can spiral pretty quickly when you’re pushing the body as hard as he is while sick.

Btw the second part of your comment is incredibly false. Sepsis is extremely serious condition that can cause a cascade of failures throughout the body. He also wasn’t healthy, he had pneumonia. As one of my old attendings said years ago “Sepsis isn’t playing with fire, it’s when the building is on fire and you have to try to mitigate the damage.” Even after discharge there is a very high mortality rate for people post sepsis up to 5 years after the initial diagnosis
 
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RedlineSi said:
I think we’re going to find out this PA he was seeing probably just gave him these steroid shots and told him he was good to go. I’m sure Kyle thought he could tough it out and he wasn’t going to miss the Coca-Cola 600.
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I find this scenario plausible. Not going to pass judgment on PA as I feel there was a high likelihood that Kyle probably downplayed how bad he was really feeling.
 
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FriendlySpartan said:
Guy is a race car driver who is used to having his body feel like **** and pushing through. Combine that with some access to meds and it’s not that weird. Also these things can spiral pretty quickly when you’re pushing the body as hard as he is while sick.

Btw the second part of your comment is incredibly false. Sepsis is extremely serious condition that can cause a cascade of failures throughout the body. He also wasn’t healthy, he had pneumonia. As one of my old attendings said years ago “Sepsis isn’t playing with fire, it’s when the building is on fire and you have to try to mitigate the damage.” Even after discharge there is a very high mortality rate for people post sepsis up to 5 years after the initial diagnosis
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Not downplaying sepsis at all but even elderly people in nursing homes often survive sepsis with aggressive treatment.
 
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RedlineSi said:
You know he’s a MD right?
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I am a respiratory therapist. There is nothing I said that was even close to being "incredibly false." I would be analyzing what I could have done differently if he would have been my patient. Maybe there was nothing that could have been done differently but maybe there was.
 
FriendlySpartan said:
Guy is a race car driver who is used to having his body feel like **** and pushing through. Combine that with some access to meds and it’s not that weird. Also these things can spiral pretty quickly when you’re pushing the body as hard as he is while sick.

Btw the second part of your comment is incredibly false. Sepsis is extremely serious condition that can cause a cascade of failures throughout the body. He also wasn’t healthy, he had pneumonia. As one of my old attendings said years ago “Sepsis isn’t playing with fire, it’s when the building is on fire and you have to try to mitigate the damage.” Even after discharge there is a very high mortality rate for people post sepsis up to 5 years after the initial diagnosis
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I don’t agree with everything that spartan states however pro athletes’ mentality is to push beyond in everything they do. It’s a mental state that all high caliber people utilize.
 
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CloneFanInKC said:
I don’t agree with everything that spartan states however pro athletes’ mentality is to push beyond in everything they do. It’s a mental state that all high caliber people utilize.
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That's for sure. On top of severe pnuemonia I am thinking he was probably close to or was in total renal failure when he collapsed. Most people would be telling someone to rush them to the hospital and he is going about his week like a guy trying to push through a pesky cold. Whole circumstance of his sudden death is so ****** up.
 
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Raiders70 said:
I am a respiratory therapist. There is nothing I said that was even close to being "incredibly false." I would be analyzing what I could have done differently if he would have been my patient. Maybe there was nothing that could have been done differently but maybe there was.
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I have an insane amount of respect for RT’s so I’m not gonna push back on you to hard here but have you actually checked mortality rates because most studies will disagree with this point with severe sepsis. That’s not even taking into account the mortality rates for immediate years post sepsis.

If you get lucky and catch it early when it’s a mild case, get quick care and have the right medical team around you then those odds do increase dramatically but that’s if things go right. I probably should have used the term “misleading” instead of false as it’s obv case by case but every hour of delay that mortality rate increases.

To your point while I push back on the mortality issues I do agree that for an individual with the means and resources available it’s likely there were steps that could have been taken to change the outcome but also that (as you know) these things can spiral very quickly if not given that quick care.

(Btw I know you probably know a lot or all of that, was more to just inform others. Forever thankful to all the RT’s that stepped up during Covid, took you guys a but for granted before that earlier in my career)
 
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FriendlySpartan said:
I have an insane amount of respect for RT’s so I’m not gonna push back on you to hard here but have you actually checked mortality rates because most studies will disagree with this point with severe sepsis. That’s not even taking into account the mortality rates for immediate years post sepsis.

If you get lucky and catch it early when it’s a mild case, get quick care and have the right medical team around you then those odds do increase dramatically but that’s if things go right. I probably should have used the term “misleading” instead of false as it’s obv case by case but every hour of delay that mortality rate increases.

To your point while I push back on the mortality issues I do agree that for an individual with the means and resources available it’s likely there were steps that could have been taken to change the outcome but also that (as you know) these things can spiral very quickly if not given that quick care.

(Btw I know you probably know a lot or all of that, was more to just inform others. Forever thankful to all the RT’s that stepped up during Covid, took you guys a but for granted before that earlier in my career)
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Clearly he waited to long to get treatment. Just amazing he could be so sick and just keep going until collapsing on the verge of death. Dont dispute the mortality part. Even if you survive there's probably going to be some irreversible organ damage so I don't think we really disagree probably all that much on the seriousness of sepsis.
 
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Raiders70 said:
Clearly he waited to long to get treatment. Just amazing he could be so sick and just keep going until collapsing on the verge of death. Dont dispute the mortality part. Even if you survive there's probably going to be some irreversible organ damage so I don't think we really disagree probably all that much on the seriousness of sepsis.
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One of the other things this made me think of is the recent push to allow EMS to push antibiotics while in route to help with the time crunch. Not sure where I come down on this issues but for areas that don’t have access to close medical care that time could make a huge difference
 
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FriendlySpartan said:
One of the other things this made me think of is the recent push to allow EMS to push antibiotics while in route to help with the time crunch. Not sure where I come down on this issues but for areas that don’t have access to close medical care that time could make a huge difference
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If they are already allowed to place an IV line it wouldn't make much sense not to let them give the antibiotics. Probably would depend how far away the hospital was and how proficient they are at placing an IV.
 
One thing to take from this…an interview from Chase Briscoe about how he had Pneumonia in December. He waited and waited to get treatment. He said his wife has been all over him about stopping this tough guy aspect regarding health with racing and the others drivers.

He said it’s time for a change and he’s rethinking everything. He also mentioned how all the drivers need to be more responsible with checking in with each other to make sure people are ok more often.

Hopefully something good can come out of this travesty.
 
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CloneFanInKC said:
I don’t agree with everything that spartan states however pro athletes’ mentality is to push beyond in everything they do. It’s a mental state that all high caliber people utilize.
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I'm not a Pro athlete but I can't remember the last time I actually went to the Dr.
 
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