Williams & Blum: More Cyclone Therapy

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Chris Williams and Brent Blum dissect Audi Crooks’ decision to leave Iowa State and everything that comes with it. The transfer portal official opens this week, while the industry within college sports continues to be on fire. Arizona couldn’t bring the Big 12 a championship in men’s basketball. All this and more, presented by Mechdyne.

Williams & Blum: More Cyclone Therapy - Cyclone Fanatic

Chris Williams and Brent Blum dissect Audi Crooks’ decision to leave Iowa State and everything that comes with it. The transfer portal official opens this week, while the industry within college sports continues to be on fire. Arizona couldn’t bring the Big 12 a championship in men’s basketball...

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[Cyched]

Well that was cheerful

 

[not-the-manager]

I had heard it before, but Blum retold the "story" that Momcilovic and Lipsey were close to leaving last offseason, not just Jefferson. Was Lipsey just going to leave because Jefferson and Momcilovic were? Or did he seek out other offers before or while Jefferson did the same? I'll probably get killed for this (if anyone sees it), but, if the latter, personally, that does affect my opinion of him a tiny bit. Not that he's a traitor—or anything close to that—or shouldn't have his jersey retired, but I don't think pitting Iowa State against bidders before your senior season is a very homegrown/loyal thing to do. I'm inclined to think it was because he thought Jefferson was bailing, though

 

[David Moss]

Every player should be exploring the portal every offseason. Same way we all look at other jobs. This is the new structure. I think our new President is aware of this reality. Pollard needs to get there.

 

[GoodOleDays]

I had heard it before, but Blum retold the "story" that Momcilovic and Lipsey were close to leaving last offseason, not just Jefferson. Was Lipsey just going to leave because Jefferson and Momcilovic were? Or did he seek out other offers before or while Jefferson did the same? I'll probably get killed for this (if anyone sees it), but, if the latter, personally, that does affect my opinion of him a tiny bit. Not that he's a traitor—or anything close to that—or shouldn't have his jersey retired, but I don't think pitting Iowa State against bidders before your senior season is a very homegrown/loyal thing to do. I'm inclined to think it was because he thought Jefferson was bailing, though

Have you ever negotiated a job offer? You gotta act willing to walk away even if you really don't want to. They all wanted to stay, but when your talkign doubling a million dollars as a basketball player with a history of injuries it'd be unwise to close the door, especially if your friends could be leaving and your team might suck.

Ultimately ISU found more money when they had the motivation. He still left like 500k on the table to stay. I'd say that's loyalty just with a healthy dose of pragmatism

 

[not-the-manager]

Have you ever negotiated a job offer? You gotta act willing to walk away even if you really don't want to. They all wanted to stay, but when your talkign doubling a million dollars as a basketball player with a history of injuries it'd be unwise to close the door, especially if your friends could be leaving and your team might suck.

Ultimately ISU found more money when they had the motivation. He still left like 500k on the table to stay. I'd say that's loyalty just with a healthy dose of pragmatism

Ultimately, I understand that this is just how things are now, that virtually every player has someone in his or her ear saying "You could make more elsewhere, let's at least make your current coach aware." I'm not shocked or offended, and also understand he left money on the table. I was truly curious, and thank you for responding. I'll say two more things

You're far from the first to make it, but I reject the analogy to the vast majority of adults in the workforce, because 99+% of us are not receiving offers of 50-100% increases in salary every single year. Nor are there zero consequences of job-hopping yearly—while most contracts allow it, there are some that don't, and more importantly, many potential employers would cast a skeptical eye at a candidate who can't or won't stick it out anywhere multiple years. This really isn't the case in college athletics, as long as a coaching staff thinks you're good enough

Also, if the question is "Have you ever negotiated your salary with a company based in your hometown that you dreamt of working for your entire life, performing a job you love more than almost everything else in the world," the answer is No. But if in preliminary discussions during the season a player who truly believes those things is told that a program can offer x next season, and x may be less than his or her value on the open market, it's not absurd to think someone might still accept the offer because the opportunity isn't just about the money. The reality is that those things may be true for a very small percentage of players, but, even among that group, only to a point. And I'm not naive about that. But nonetheless it was an unspoken caveat that was mostly glossed over

 

[Letterkenny]

I had heard it before, but Blum retold the "story" that Momcilovic and Lipsey were close to leaving last offseason, not just Jefferson. Was Lipsey just going to leave because Jefferson and Momcilovic were? Or did he seek out other offers before or while Jefferson did the same? I'll probably get killed for this (if anyone sees it), but, if the latter, personally, that does affect my opinion of him a tiny bit. Not that he's a traitor—or anything close to that—or shouldn't have his jersey retired, but I don't think pitting Iowa State against bidders before your senior season is a very homegrown/loyal thing to do. I'm inclined to think it was because he thought Jefferson was bailing, though

Players get offers without seeking them out, especially if they have an agent. Teams will call up their agent and say "hey we can offer Jefferson 'X' amount to come to LSU" without Jefferson ever entering the portal, or giving any indication he wants to leave. They all came back for significantly less than they would have made elsewhere. If you got cold called by another employer offering you 2-3X what you are currently making, you'd probably consider it.

 

[SolarGarlic]

I had heard it before, but Blum retold the "story" that Momcilovic and Lipsey were close to leaving last offseason, not just Jefferson. Was Lipsey just going to leave because Jefferson and Momcilovic were? Or did he seek out other offers before or while Jefferson did the same? I'll probably get killed for this (if anyone sees it), but, if the latter, personally, that does affect my opinion of him a tiny bit. Not that he's a traitor—or anything close to that—or shouldn't have his jersey retired, but I don't think pitting Iowa State against bidders before your senior season is a very homegrown/loyal thing to do. I'm inclined to think it was because he thought Jefferson was bailing, though

The purity test of some of our fans is hilarious. These are hundreds of thousands of dollars we're talking about.

 

[ClonerJams]

Anyone else been having issues with the podcasts cutting off at the end? Happened two me twice now using iheart

 

[SolarGarlic]

Ultimately, I understand that this is just how things are now, that virtually every player has someone in his or her ear saying "You could make more elsewhere, let's at least make your current coach aware." I'm not shocked or offended, and also understand he left money on the table. I was truly curious, and thank you for responding. I'll say two more things

You're far from the first to make it, but I reject the analogy to the vast majority of adults in the workforce, because 99+% of us are not receiving offers of 50-100% increases in salary every single year. Nor are there zero consequences of job-hopping yearly—while most contracts allow it, there are some that don't, and more importantly, many potential employers would cast a skeptical eye at a candidate who can't or won't stick it out anywhere multiple years. This really isn't the case in college athletics, as long as a coaching staff thinks you're good enough

Also, if the question is "Have you ever negotiated your salary with a company based in your hometown that you dreamt of working for your entire life, performing a job you love more than almost everything else in the world," the answer is No. But if in preliminary discussions during the season a player who truly believes those things is told that a program can offer x next season, and x may be less than his or her value on the open market, it's not absurd to think someone might still accept the offer because the opportunity isn't just about the money. The reality is that those things may be true for a very small percentage of players, but, even among that group, only to a point. And I'm not naive about that. But nonetheless it was an unspoken caveat that was mostly glossed over

This works against your argument, not for it.

 

[Letterkenny]

The purity test of some of our fans is hilarious. These are hundreds of thousands of dollars we're talking about.

If anything, they should be held in even higher regard for turning down more $$ than we could give them.

 

[brentblum]

If anything, they should be held in even higher regard for turning down more $$ than we could give them.

This is where I’m at. Forever appreciative of so many Cyclones over the past several years.

 

[ema28]

This was kind of a depressing listen

 

[FarmerCy1]

This was kind of a depressing listen

Honestly I walked away from that pod thinking my shelf life for college sports is coming up. I barely pay attention to anything outside of ISU/Big 12, but it’s hard for me to care about anything outside of ISU anymore. Definitely a bleak future.

 

[MR82]

Does anyone know the source of all the $ that is offered, other than tv revenue and what products fans buy? I just can’t imagine who is making that much money to keep giving it away.

 

[ZorkClone]

Does anyone know the source of all the $ that is offered, other than tv revenue and what products fans buy? I just can’t imagine who is making that much money to keep giving it away.

Like they said on the pod, rich folk with big egos. They make the market completely irrational.

 

[t.m.]

Does anyone know the source of all the $ that is offered, other than tv revenue and what products fans buy? I just can’t imagine who is making that much money to keep giving it away.

Billionaires and multi-millionaires throwing FU money at their alma maters. I hate the current system, but if I had Cody Campbell type money, I’d probably do the same for ISU

Narrator: sadly, he did not have Cody Campbell money

 

[Cloned4Life]

This was kind of a depressing listen

Yes it was. There is no world of "more with less" - if the goal is to make a run at a Final 4 in the future. You gotta get studs, studs that can fit together, and ya gotta pay them a lot of money. All of them.

 

[Cloned4Life]

Like they said on the pod, rich folk with big egos. They make the market completely irrational.

An irrational market is still... the market. Personally, I see no end in sight. For the Big 10 schools - and probably the SEC and some others, this is absolutely sustainable.

 

[thuner]

Ultimately, I understand that this is just how things are now, that virtually every player has someone in his or her ear saying "You could make more elsewhere, let's at least make your current coach aware." I'm not shocked or offended, and also understand he left money on the table. I was truly curious, and thank you for responding. I'll say two more things

You're far from the first to make it, but I reject the analogy to the vast majority of adults in the workforce, because 99+% of us are not receiving offers of 50-100% increases in salary every single year. Nor are there zero consequences of job-hopping yearly—while most contracts allow it, there are some that don't, and more importantly, many potential employers would cast a skeptical eye at a candidate who can't or won't stick it out anywhere multiple years. This really isn't the case in college athletics, as long as a coaching staff thinks you're good enough

Also, if the question is "Have you ever negotiated your salary with a company based in your hometown that you dreamt of working for your entire life, performing a job you love more than almost everything else in the world," the answer is No. But if in preliminary discussions during the season a player who truly believes those things is told that a program can offer x next season, and x may be less than his or her value on the open market, it's not absurd to think someone might still accept the offer because the opportunity isn't just about the money. The reality is that those things may be true for a very small percentage of players, but, even among that group, only to a point. And I'm not naive about that. But nonetheless it was an unspoken caveat that was mostly glossed over

Amen