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Are there any long term Chicago Bulls fans here? Or even better people who always hated the Bulls/Jordan?

This thing is looking more and more like it has potential to be like the Floyd/Fizer/Fred pipeline. Each of those guys is an ISU legend, full legit success…but they are basically considered THE historic failures of the Bulls. CMC could do a decent job and all it takes is Ohio State, Oregon and Indiana to maintain, while Whittingham succeeds at Michigan and you’re looking at 5th-7th total disaster results.

The key difference being the world at large generally has warm fuzzy 90s vibes about the Chicago Bulls wishing them success and the world at large has horror villain evil vibes about Penn State wishing they’d have gotten death penalty as a program.
 
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Spartanantler said:
I see you’re not a true fan then. This is how you treat the greatest coach who elevated our program for 10 years? What more do you want?
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I thought CMC and the players who left were good guys when they were here. I don't believe they became different people just because they left. I can understand indifference and allowing them to fade into the past, but hostility doesn't make sense to me. It's not like ISU and Penn State are rivals. They're in different conferences and have never played one another.
 
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Cyrealist said:
I thought CMC and the players who left were good guys when they were here. I don't believe they became different people just because they left. I can understand indifference and allowing them to fade into the past, but hostility doesn't make sense to me. It's not like ISU and Penn State are rivals. They're in different conferences and have never played one another.
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Actually, the Penn St fans I’ve interacted with, in person and online, have universally been good folks. Most are realistic, although some have illusions regarding 2026 and beyond. Hard to hate good people.
 
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HFCS said:
CMC could do a decent job and all it takes is Ohio State, Oregon and Indiana to maintain, while Whittingham succeeds at Michigan and you’re looking at 5th-7th total disaster results.
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That's why they play the games. I don't think Penn State fans are expecting conference dominance. Campbell had wins against top ten and top 25 programs at ISU and will be on a more level playing field at PSU
 
HFCS said:
Are there any long term Chicago Bulls fans here? Or even better people who always hated the Bulls/Jordan?

This thing is looking more and more like it has potential to be like the Floyd/Fizer/Fred pipeline. Each of those guys is an ISU legend, full legit success…but they are basically considered THE historic failures of the Bulls. CMC could do a decent job and all it takes is Ohio State, Oregon and Indiana to maintain, while Whittingham succeeds at Michigan and you’re looking at 5th-7th total disaster results.

The key difference being the world at large generally has warm fuzzy 90s vibes about the Chicago Bulls wishing them success and the world at large has horror villain evil vibes about Penn State wishing they’d have gotten death penalty as a program.
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I'm not sure it will be a total disaster in the eyes of most of the people who watch college football. It probably will be for those PSU fans hoping for a National Championship. It's not like the Big 10 is loaded top to bottom, as with all conferences now, it shouldn't be hard to hit 8 wins. There were a couple of years in CMCs tenure that talent wasn't what held the team back.

The big challenge he's going to have to overcome is figuring out how to not drop those headscratcher games. He always did well against the big boys, it's not losing to the Purdues that will make all the difference for him. We'll see how his stubbornness plays out when his job literally is on the line that day. He was never going to get fired at ISU as long as he was consistenly getting us to a winning record. At PSU he'll be on the chopping block for only getting to 9 wins.
 
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Cloneon said:
To be quite honest, CMC made his bed in 'how' he left. I'll never forget the adage: "One f**k up, erases a thousand attaboys" On paper, you're exactly right. He elevated the program to unprecedented levels. But, it was the unified effort of several elements from AD, to staff, to fans.
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And burnt whatever he built to the ground by destroying the roster.
 
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Cyrealist said:
A player might choose to be a featured player at their position rather than being slotted as a reserve at a "better" school especially if they're a senior.
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Sure, absolutely. But any player who thinks they are NFL quality is not going to assume they are going to be slotted in as a reserve at a better school. They are going to assume they can beat out any competition for that starting spot.

If they assume they are a reserve at a better school, then they have no shot at the NFL. Their competitive spirit is would be garbage. If I'm an NFL GM and prospect said "I knew I wasn't good enough to play at School B, so I went to School A, but you should really give me a chance in the NFL.", I'm going to want nothing to do with them.

I'm not saying that these guys are going to start. Some of them may end up being backups, but I guarantee they nobody has the mindset of "I'm not good enough to start at Penn State but I am good enough for the NFL." There is a 0% chance that is going through any of their minds.
 
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And burnt whatever he built to the ground by destroying the roster.
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That's it. I never really expected him to stay here forever (although losing to Ohio and then struggling against Arkansas St. and going on a 4 game losing streak I thought we were kind of safe for a while) but the way he just up and left one night and we didn't hear from him for a few days and he never said goodbye to the fanbase in another way really sucked, a press conference or something might be too much to ask but I know he doesn't need to but with the success and being here 10 years you'd think there would be something more. And then the entire team leaving really sucked.

I assumed whenever he did end up leaving there would be some sort of succession plan in place with Pollard, so that there would be some carry over continuity of the "culture" and staff, he wouldn't want to just leave ISU with nothing would he? But that obviously didn't happen... who's to blame for that I don't know... 10 years and barely anything from the staff and players to show for it.
 
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clone52 said:
Sure, absolutely. But any player who thinks they are NFL quality is not going to assume they are going to be slotted in as a reserve at a better school. They are going to assume they can beat out any competition for that starting spot.
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Moving into a starting spot is sometimes about coaches' opinions as much as talent. At a school where a starting role is more assured, they will be able to prove their worth on the field.
 
Cyrealist said:
Moving into a starting spot is sometimes about coaches' opinions as much as talent. At a school where a starting role is more assured, they will be able to prove their worth on the field.
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Agreed, but do you really think these guys are thinking to themselves "there is a chance that I can't win the starting spot"?
 
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And burnt whatever he built to the ground by destroying the roster.
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I was disappointed with the number that left, but players are going to go where they believe they have the best opportunity. It is what it is. And Coach Rogers is making pretty good progress at building a roster and staff. Campbell left the program in a much better place than it was when he came.
 
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Agreed, but do you really think these guys are thinking to themselves "there is a chance that I can't win the starting spot"?
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If they're smart, they'll consider the possibility. I know I'd go where a starting job was likely. Some of it can be determined by the NIL offer. A lowball offer equals a place on the bench.
 
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There are some. I can tell you one basketball player specifically told me that.
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A basketball player who specifically thinks he's an NBA prospect and doesn't feel like he can crack a starting lineup somewhere? Maybe there are a few specific examples where someone is being blocked out by a stud, but I don't think thats happening too often.

We were also talking about football. I don't disagree that for some of these players, the exposure at Iowa State could do more to enhance their NFL prospects than playing less at Penn State. My only disagreement is that any of the players who went to Penn State are actually thinking those things simultaneously (I'm an NFL prospect but I won't play much at Penn State).
 
clone52 said:
Agreed, but do you really think these guys are thinking to themselves "there is a chance that I can't win the starting spot"?
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Other than the very few absolute studs, pretty much every player is weighing that tradeoff between going to the best program they can vs. likelihood of starting and playing in the role they want.

Most guys playing P4 football probably think they have a shot at playing in the NFL. They also know they need to showcase their skills to do that, and most know that starting is not a 100% certainty.

I'm sure Breece always thought he was going to make it the NFL. I'm guessing he also factored in chances at playing when choosing ISU over Michigan or Tennessee.
 
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