When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[RedlineSi]

I mean it is an actual hazard that is being talked about in the industry.
https://lonestarhazmat.com/electric-cars-catch-on-fire-critical-hazmat-safety-protocols/#:~:text=Potential for Reignition: EV battery,that can reignite the fire.

yes ICE vehicles catch fire too, but it's a lot easier and safer to extinguish.

I am well aware the fires can be more difficult. The joke is how a lot of ICE people just claim EVs combust by themselves all the time, and their ICE vehicle with a full tank of gas never does. Again, more things EV owners see and hear every single day.

 

[twincyties]

You mean the group of people that are most adamantly opposed to EVs (not as a matter of individual practicality, but in general) are the type that take a few isolated stories and use it to justify their predetermined position?

No. Freaking. Way.

 

[RedlineSi]

You mean the group of people that are most adamantly opposed to EVs (not as a matter of individual practicality, but in general) are the type that take a few isolated stories and use it to justify their predetermined position?

No. Freaking. Way.

Right?!

 

[TitanClone]

Pretty sad how many people are celebrating this today. Not you, others

Why? Of course we all want US companies to be at the top, but BYD and China in general are so far ahead in this space it's going to be hard to close the gap without getting in our feels and admitting it.

 

[motorcy90]

While EV fires are more complex, they happen far less frequently than ICE fires.

8 Differences Between EV and Internal Combustion Engine Vehicle Fires

Discover the key differences between EV and internal combustion engine vehicle fires so you can tackle your next investigation with confidence.

www.blazestack.com

and has that data been broken down further at all? age and maintenance of the vehicles included? vast majority of the car fires I gave been on are vehicles that are probably 15-20+ years old at the time.

 

[TitanClone]

Not being an *******, but "never" isn't mentioned within the poll.
Great, for commuter types.
For those of us in rural outposts, not practical, particularly, cold outposts.
Toss in towing, not pragmatic, now.
Cheering, for improvements..

Ironically the F150 lightning getting shut down was super practical for a lot of rural farmers. How many farmers have a lineup of 1 car/small SUV plus 1 light duty and 1 super duty pickup? Replace the light duty with an electric that can be charged at home 100% of the time and used for surveying the farm, running into town for supplies, etc...still have the other 2 for whatever else.

 

[BCClone]

Ironically the F150 lightning getting shut down was super practical for a lot of rural farmers. How many farmers have a lineup of 1 car/small SUV plus 1 light duty and 1 super duty pickup? Replace the light duty with an electric that can be charged at home 100% of the time and used for surveying the farm, running into town for supplies, etc...still have the other 2 for whatever else.

Do you use an electric on your farm?

 

[motorcy90]

Not being an *******, but "never" isn't mentioned within the poll.
Great, for commuter types.
For those of us in rural outposts, not practical, particularly, cold outposts.
Toss in towing, not pragmatic, now.
Cheering, for improvements..

this is where range extended evs would shine. I mean if Ram came out with a 2500 REV that you can mount a full v-blade plow on, I would be set.

 

[TitanClone]

Do you use an electric on your farm?

I don't live on a farm, but know plenty that do who this would apply to

 

[BCClone]

I don't live on a farm, but know plenty that do who this would apply to

Guessing the older guys, and especially ones only with grain. I would not work well on mine.

 

[TitanClone]

Guessing the older guys, and especially ones only with grain. I would not work well on mine.

That's fair. I may be oversimplifying it but think Ford missed this mark from a marketing perspective.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

and has that data been broken down further at all? age and maintenance of the vehicles included? vast majority of the car fires I gave been on are vehicles that are probably 15-20+ years old at the time.

None of those variables change the fact that gas powered vehicle fires are much, much more common than EV fires, regardless of how much they're publicized by the media and special interest groups

 

[motorcy90]

None of those variables change the fact that gas powered vehicle fires are much, much more common than EV fires, regardless of how much they're publicized by the media and special interest groups

you don't think maintenance is a issue in vehicle fires? you don't think a 20+ year old barely maintained car would be more risk then a newer car that has had all maintenance needs taken cared of?
I mean from the article itself Hybrids are at an even greater risk- "It’s also interesting to note that fire incidents in hybrid vehicles occur at a far greater rate of 3,475 fires per 100,000 vehicles.". i mean by and large EVs are still newer and more expensive purchases, buyers are probably more prone to the maintenance needs being taken care of on them. and the issue isn't really the fire itself but the extinguishment of said fires. when it takes 10x more water in some cases or literally burying the vehicle in water or sand currently plus the highly possible re-ignition of fire days or even weeks after as has been the case.

 

[cycloneG]

you don't think maintenance is a issue in vehicle fires? you don't think a 20+ year old barely maintained car would be more risk then a newer car that has had all maintenance needs taken cared of?
I mean from the article itself Hybrids are at an even greater risk- "It’s also interesting to note that fire incidents in hybrid vehicles occur at a far greater rate of 3,475 fires per 100,000 vehicles.". i mean by and large EVs are still newer and more expensive purchases, buyers are probably more prone to the maintenance needs being taken care of on them. and the issue isn't really the fire itself but the extinguishment of said fires. when it takes 10x more water in some cases or literally burying the vehicle in water or sand currently plus the highly possible re-ignition of fire days or even weeks after as has been the case.

You don't think frequency of fires being orders of magnitude greater is relevant?

 

[ISUAlum2002]

you don't think maintenance is a issue in vehicle fires? you don't think a 20+ year old barely maintained car would be more risk then a newer car that has had all maintenance needs taken cared of?
I mean from the article itself Hybrids are at an even greater risk- "It’s also interesting to note that fire incidents in hybrid vehicles occur at a far greater rate of 3,475 fires per 100,000 vehicles.". i mean by and large EVs are still newer and more expensive purchases, buyers are probably more prone to the maintenance needs being taken care of on them. and the issue isn't really the fire itself but the extinguishment of said fires. when it takes 10x more water in some cases or literally burying the vehicle in water or sand currently plus the highly possible re-ignition of fire days or even weeks after as has been the case.

Sure, maintenance is a factor but as EV's age they're not going to suddenly start spontaneously combusting on the roads and get anywhere near the rate of vehicle fires that gas vehicles do.

Hybrids have the worst of both worlds....liquid fuel on board and a battery pack. Of course they're going to be at a higher risk of fires. I'd never own one.

And the philosophy of putting out BEV fires will need to evolve as time goes on. In many situations, it may be a better plan to just let the battery pack burn itself out rather than dumping an ish-load of water on it. Get people away from it and let it burn. Pull the vehicle away from property and let it burn. Firefighting techniques and philosophies will change and become more effective, not too worried about that in the long run. BEV technology and overall safety improvements will continue over time as well, further reducing fire risk.

 

[motorcy90]

You don't think frequency of fires being orders of magnitude greater is relevant?

vehicle use factors and age not withstanding? again what is the average age of EVs on the road vs ICE vehicles in these fires? again hybrids that are way more actually common then pure EVs are way more prone to vehicle fires then just ICE. EVs are still more novelty then a full replacement for ICE vehicles.

 

[NWICY]

Sure, maintenance is a factor but as EV's age they're not going to suddenly start spontaneously combusting on the roads and get anywhere near the rate of vehicle fires that gas vehicles do.

Hybrids have the worst of both worlds....liquid fuel on board and a battery pack. Of course they're going to be at a higher risk of fires. I'd never own one.

And the philosophy of putting out BEV fires will need to evolve as time goes on. In many situations, it may be a better plan to just let the battery pack burn itself out rather than dumping an ish-load of water on it. Get people away from it and let it burn. Pull the vehicle away from property and let it burn. Firefighting techniques and philosophies will change and become more effective, not too worried about that in the long run. BEV technology and overall safety improvements will continue over time as well, further reducing fire risk.

Beginners question will foam(?) kill a battery fire by taking away the oxygen?

 

[motorcy90]

Sure, maintenance is a factor but as EV's age they're not going to suddenly start spontaneously combusting on the roads and get anywhere near the rate of vehicle fires that gas vehicles do.

Hybrids have the worst of both worlds....liquid fuel on board and a battery pack. Of course they're going to be at a higher risk of fires. I'd never own one.

And the philosophy of putting out BEV fires will need to evolve as time goes on. In many situations, it may be a better plan to just let the battery pack burn itself out rather than dumping an ish-load of water on it. Get people away from it and let it burn. Pull the vehicle away from property and let it burn. Firefighting techniques and philosophies will change and become more effective, not too worried about that in the long run. BEV technology and overall safety improvements will continue over time as well, further reducing fire risk.

the biggest risk factor is yes impacts to Batteries and such we will see how those hold up after 15-20 years of use like a lot of ICE vehicles are. but you admit the batteries are the issue.

 

[cycloneG]

vehicle use factors and age not withstanding? again what is the average age of EVs on the road vs ICE vehicles in these fires? again hybrids that are way more actually common then pure EVs are way more prone to vehicle fires then just ICE. EVs are still more novelty then a full replacement for ICE vehicles.

Do ICE vehicle fires occur more frequently than EV vehicle fires? All the statistics say they do. Your posting in this thread clearly indicates you aren't going to purchase an EV. Great! Everyone is free to buy whatever they want. Bringing up fire risk is just a scare tactic the uninformed use. I suggest you do some research into EVs and not base your conclusions on click bait headlines.

 

[motorcy90]

Beginners question will foam(?) kill a battery fire by taking away the oxygen?

the issue is the heat build up and damaging other cells from it continuing thermal runaway.