NFL: Kansas City Chiefs Thread

Funny how Prime keeps advertising their Christmas night Chiefs/Broncos matchup as if it is the biggest game of the year.
Yup, going into the season this looked like a big matchup that could decide the division and now it's going to be the Broncos just thumping what is left of our roster. Maybe we can make it 3 for 3 for torn ACL by our QB? Just sad how fast the wheels have come off and how this team looks like a shell of what it did a year ago.
 
Soon Lambeau will be the only outdoor stadium left. Kinda lame, but I guess it is what it is.
For the cold weather cities, with the super high cost to build these stadiums these days probably want to be able to use them year round now for different types of events.
 
Will be a chance for the Chiefs to do a much needed facilities reset in 2031.

Key Facility Grades & Rankings (2024 Report Card)
  • Locker Room: D- (28th in NFL)
  • Training Room: C- (29th in NFL)
  • Weight Room: C+ (30th in NFL)
  • Ownership (Investment): 26th in NFL
  • Team Travel (Home Hotel): B- (21st in NFL)
Player Feedback & Issues
  • Locker Room: Players cited small lockers and lack of space/furniture.
  • Training Room: Understaffed, insufficient hot/cold tubs, lack of preventative care.
  • Weight Room: Not enough space for training.
  • Indoor Facility: Lacked air conditioning.
 
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For the cold weather cities, with the super high cost to build these stadiums these days probably want to be able to use them year round now for different types of events.
Yeah, that’s fair. I get it, but it kinda stinks. I will like to see the final four in KC though.
 
Well I guess the city of KC should have made sure the Royals got the downtown stadium so the Chiefs could have taken over the whole sports complex and built there. Now KC will probably lose both teams.
 
I'm sure they'll just waste it in other ways or give it to other billionaires, but if Missouri chooses to not give this billionaire tax payer money to build their stadium I think that's the first good thing I've heard about Missouri in quite awhile. Also as someone that hates the Chiefs getting them to move out of Arrowhead is kind of a win win.

I think the Hunt family is still worth something like 25 billion or more? Sure they could build a dozen stadiums and have money left over, but that sweet tax money is so enticing.
Arrowhead isn't the Chiefs stadium the city owns it. The Chiefs are just the primary tenant. Those 80$ parking passes on gameday go right to the city and not the Chiefs also. If the city doesn't want to help pay to build infrastructure that's their moron problem. I guess the Kansas side can get all the revenue. If you want anything in your town including a pro sports team the citizens need to help fund it. I don't want the Hunts to own the stadium personally. The airlines didn't pay for the new airport terminal. The Kansas side of the metro will continue to be amore attractive place to do business for everyone because they are willing to pay for infrastructure.
 
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Once you get passed the state of Kansas coming up with the $1.8 billion for the stadium nothing else really is out of line. The original reports said setting was to be between 65,000 other 68,000, but the NFL has a rule that all new stadiums must seat at least 70,000, so that number will increase, the current Arrowhead seats 78,000 for football games.

No-one forced the state of Kansas to come up with this amount of money, they went all in, while Missouri again sat around and twiddle their thumbs and could not come up with what the Chiefs wanted to stay. Really for us here in Iowa, it's not going to be any more difficult to get to the new stadium than driving down to the old one, I-35 down and then over to St. Joe, down west of the airport to I-435 and west to the new area depending on where out there they put it. It's the route we will take to Dallas on Friday, not a bad drive at all.
 
Once you get passed the state of Kansas coming up with the $1.8 billion for the stadium nothing else really is out of line. The original reports said setting was to be between 65,000 other 68,000, but the NFL has a rule that all new stadiums must seat at least 70,000, so that number will increase, the current Arrowhead seats 78,000 for football games.

No-one forced the state of Kansas to come up with this amount of money, they went all in, while Missouri again sat around and twiddle their thumbs and could not come up with what the Chiefs wanted to stay. Really for us here in Iowa, it's not going to be any more difficult to get to the new stadium than driving down to the old one, I-35 down and then over to St. Joe, down west of the airport to I-435 and west to the new area depending on where out there they put it. It's the route we will take to Dallas on Friday, not a bad drive at all.
It will be more than $1.8 million. That number doesn't include debt service interest and the estimate has no contingency built into it. Missouri didn't stand a chance with this deal...it is so incredibly lopsided to the Chiefs.
 
It will be more than $1.8 million. That number doesn't include debt service interest and the estimate has no contingency built into it. Missouri didn't stand a chance with this deal...it is so incredibly lopsided to the Chiefs.
It maybe lopsided and the people of Kansas will not care, most of the funds will be provided by increases in the hotel/motel tax and other ways to bring in money. If you are the governor of Kansas this deal just assure you reelection if you decide to run again. The big loser here is the city of Kansas City Missouri and the fans and season ticket holders that lived in that county. They refused to come up with money to build the Chiefs a new stadium, the citizens of Kansas did. Some times you have to overpay to get something or keep something, they refused to do so, and lost the Chiefs to across the river. That is on them, no one else.
 
It maybe lopsided and the people of Kansas will not care, most of the funds will be provided by increases in the hotel/motel tax and other ways to bring in money. If you are the governor of Kansas this deal just assure you reelection if you decide to run again. The big loser here is the city of Kansas City Missouri and the fans and season ticket holders that lived in that county. They refused to come up with money to build the Chiefs a new stadium, the citizens of Kansas did. Some times you have to overpay to get something or keep something, they refused to do so, and lost the Chiefs to across the river. That is on them, no one else.
This is not true. They are being paid back from 6.5% sales tax generated in a 293 square mile district on the Kansas side of the metro. If you buy groceries at the Hy-Vee or Sam's Club at 135th and Nall in OP, 6.5% of your bill will go to the Chiefs. While it's not a new tax, it's a diversion of funds that will need to be made up somewhere else. Good luck with that, Kansas!

It obvious to me that the Chiefs wanted this deal all along. They had City officials in Olathe under NDAs two years ago. Now go back and look at their plan they threw on front of Jackson County last August and tell me they were not just trying to tell Missouri "hey, we tried, now see ya". The truth is Missouri is set up different then Kansas. You can't come up with new sales tax is Missouri without a vote of the people...it's the way the State Constitution is written. If this deal has to go to a vote of the people on Kansas, zero chance it passes.
 
This is not true. They are being paid back from 6.5% sales tax generated in a 293 square mile district on the Kansas side of the metro. If you buy groceries at the Hy-Vee or Sam's Club at 135th and Nall in OP, 6.5% of your bill will go to the Chiefs. While it's not a new tax, it's a diversion of funds that will need to be made up somewhere else. Good luck with that, Kansas!

It obvious to me that the Chiefs wanted this deal all along. They had City officials in Olathe under NDAs two years ago. Now go back and look at their plan they threw on front of Jackson County last August and tell me they were not just trying to tell Missouri "hey, we tried, now see ya". The truth is Missouri is set up different then Kansas. You can't come up with new sales tax is Missouri without a vote of the people...it's the way the State Constitution is written. If this deal has to go to a vote of the people on Kansas, zero chance it passes.
This isn't quite accurate. The sales tax used to pay back the bonds only applies to new developments within the district. So the HyVee or Sams that already exists today won’t pay toward the star bond. However, if a new HyVee or Sams was built in the Star bond district after it was established, then the sales tax would go to the bond. This is how they can claim that these funds don't take money away from roads, schools, etc, that it is only net new revenues that result from the stadium.

Now the catch with the Chiefs is that the district is huge, so it will catch all kinds of new business that open that really had nothing to do with the stadiums.

Then one more note on that, the proposed district covers all of Wyandotte County, and Johnson County west of I35. So something around 135th and Nall in OP won't be impacted, as OP, Leawood, and Prairie Village are not in the district. Insert conspiracy theory here that those were held out because they will be included in the Royals Star bond district.
 
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This isn't quite accurate. The sales tax used to pay back the bonds only applies to new developments within the district. So the HyVee or Sams that already exists today won’t pay toward the star bond. However, if a new HyVee or Sams was built in the Star bond district after it was established, then the sales tax would go to the bond. This is how they can claim that these funds don't take money away from roads, schools, etc, that it is only net new revenues that result from the stadium.

Now the catch with the Chiefs is that the district is huge, so it will catch all kinds of new business that open that really had nothing to do with the stadiums.

Then one more note on that, the proposed district covers all of Wyandotte County, and Johnson County west of I35. So something around 135th and Nall in OP won't be impacted, as OP, Leawood, and Prairie Village are not in the district. Insert conspiracy theory here that those were held out because they will be included in the Royals Star bond district.
Didn't realize it was only new sales tax, so thanks for clarifying. Is it like TIF where the sales tax generated today is the base and anything above the base goes towards the bonds? So if the Menards out by the Legends sees a 50% increase in sales tax from this development, does that increase go towards the bonds, or is it strictly new development?

I did read that one of the reasons those areas were left out was because they were already parts of existing districts. I'm not sure there is anything left for the Royals at this point.

Edit: it included those areas west of I-35, minus areas that already had established districts. So yes, those areas could be saved for the Royals. I still have a hard time believing the State of Kansas is going to incentive the Royals to go to the OP site and turn their backs on T-Mobile and Fiserv in the process.
 
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This is not true. They are being paid back from 6.5% sales tax generated in a 293 square mile district on the Kansas side of the metro. If you buy groceries at the Hy-Vee or Sam's Club at 135th and Nall in OP, 6.5% of your bill will go to the Chiefs. While it's not a new tax, it's a diversion of funds that will need to be made up somewhere else. Good luck with that, Kansas!

It obvious to me that the Chiefs wanted this deal all along. They had City officials in Olathe under NDAs two years ago. Now go back and look at their plan they threw on front of Jackson County last August and tell me they were not just trying to tell Missouri "hey, we tried, now see ya". The truth is Missouri is set up different then Kansas. You can't come up with new sales tax is Missouri without a vote of the people...it's the way the State Constitution is written. If this deal has to go to a vote of the people on Kansas, zero chance it passes.
That is not true at all, your prices are not going to go up 6.5%, that money was already being collected, now will be used to pay off the STAR bonds that the state is issuing to pay off the stadium. Did the Chiefs gets sweet heart deal, maybe, but the bigger question is why did the state of Missouri not offer them that same deal. The Chiefs knew that the state of Kansas was going to give them what they wanted, gave the state of Missouri the same opportunity to match it and they did not. After the first vote in Missouri to raise the funds, many stated they would have voted for the Chiefs to get it, but not the royals, so the vote was not passed. Why did the public leaders in KC lump them together instead of typing to pass one bond issue for the Chiefs and another for the Royals is the question.

 
That is not true at all, your prices are not going to go up 6.5%, that money was already being collected, now will be used to pay off the STAR bonds that the state is issuing to pay off the stadium. Did the Chiefs gets sweet heart deal, maybe, but the bigger question is why did the state of Missouri not offer them that same deal. The Chiefs knew that the state of Kansas was going to give them what they wanted, gave the state of Missouri the same opportunity to match it and they did not. After the first vote in Missouri to raise the funds, many stated they would have voted for the Chiefs to get it, but not the royals, so the vote was not passed. Why did the public leaders in KC lump them together instead of typing to pass one bond issue for the Chiefs and another for the Royals is the question.

I never once said that prices will go up 6.5%. You said that most of these funds will come from increase in hotel/motel tax, which is not accurate. I was simply pointing out that the bonds are being paid for from an existing 6.5% state sales tax.

And Missouri couldn't offer this deal because they don't have STAR bonds. The only reason this worked in Kansas is because they could offer this deal without a vote of the people, which couldn't be done on Missouri. If this deal has to go to a vote of the people in Kansas, Im not sure it passes.
 
It maybe lopsided and the people of Kansas will not care, most of the funds will be provided by increases in the hotel/motel tax and other ways to bring in money. If you are the governor of Kansas this deal just assure you reelection if you decide to run again. The big loser here is the city of Kansas City Missouri and the fans and season ticket holders that lived in that county. They refused to come up with money to build the Chiefs a new stadium, the citizens of Kansas did. Some times you have to overpay to get something or keep something, they refused to do so, and lost the Chiefs to across the river. That is on them, no one else.
Laura Kelly can't run for reelection. Kansas has a two term limit for governor, and she is in her second term.

Maybe she has eyes on a senate run or something. But I suspect she will retire. Winning statewide office as a D in Kansas is not an easy task.
 
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There's not an infinite supply of money, a lot of the money spent in the area will be money spent by locals that were already spending that money.

As far as I can tell the previous high amount of STAR bonds issued was $150 million for Mercy Park? And that took like 15 years to pay off. Now this will be, what, close to $2 billion?
 
Did the Chiefs gets sweet heart deal, maybe, but the bigger question is why did the state of Missouri not offer them that same deal.

Because the people voted and said they didn’t want to. It’s that simple.
 
There's not an infinite supply of money, a lot of the money spent in the area will be money spent by locals that were already spending that money.

As far as I can tell the previous high amount of STAR bonds issued was $150 million for Mercy Park? And that took like 15 years to pay off. Now this will be, what, close to $2 billion?

So if nothing changes, this will be paid off in like 75 years on a 30 year lease? Sounds great.