#13 in Kenpom Rankings
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2025: Milan hand, Tamin thumb and groin, Keshon whatever, Nojus non-factor
2024: Hason Ward foot, Tamin shoulder, Omaha non-factor
2023: Jaz finger, Grill drama, not sure on the specifics but I remember reading that Shoon had some medical condition limiting him all year
We are due for a nice injury-free, drama-free year with productive freshmen!
edit: forgot about Tamin's groin.
2024: Hason Ward foot, Tamin shoulder, Omaha non-factor
2023: Jaz finger, Grill drama, not sure on the specifics but I remember reading that Shoon had some medical condition limiting him all year
We are due for a nice injury-free, drama-free year with productive freshmen!
edit: forgot about Tamin's groin.
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Pre-season NetRtg's by conference:
Average of all teams
1. SEC 20.7
2. Big 10 19.3
3. Big 12 16.3
4. Big East 16.2
5. ACC 13.6
Average of top half
1. SEC 24.0
2. Big 10 23.7
3. Big East 20.3
4. Big 12 20.1
5. ACC 17.1
Average of bottom half
1. SEC 17.9
2. Big 10 15.4
3. Big East 12.7
4. Big 12 11.3
5. ACC 9.8
Average of top three teams
1. SEC 27.8
2. Big 10 27.0
3. Big 12 26.5
4. ACC 23.5
5. Big East 23.2
Average of bottom three teams
1. SEC 12.5
2. Big 12 10.6
3. Big 10 9.6
4. Big East 9.5
5. ACC 8.3
Average excluding three best and three worst teams
1. SEC 19.9
2. Big 10 18.9
3. Big 12 17.3
4. Big East 14.4
5. Big East 13.6
Median
1. SEC 20.1
2. Big 10 18.8
3. Big 12 16.2
4. Big East 15.4
5. ACC 12.5
My take-away from this analysis is that the ACC sucks.
Average of all teams
1. SEC 20.7
2. Big 10 19.3
3. Big 12 16.3
4. Big East 16.2
5. ACC 13.6
Average of top half
1. SEC 24.0
2. Big 10 23.7
3. Big East 20.3
4. Big 12 20.1
5. ACC 17.1
Average of bottom half
1. SEC 17.9
2. Big 10 15.4
3. Big East 12.7
4. Big 12 11.3
5. ACC 9.8
Average of top three teams
1. SEC 27.8
2. Big 10 27.0
3. Big 12 26.5
4. ACC 23.5
5. Big East 23.2
Average of bottom three teams
1. SEC 12.5
2. Big 12 10.6
3. Big 10 9.6
4. Big East 9.5
5. ACC 8.3
Average excluding three best and three worst teams
1. SEC 19.9
2. Big 10 18.9
3. Big 12 17.3
4. Big East 14.4
5. Big East 13.6
Median
1. SEC 20.1
2. Big 10 18.8
3. Big 12 16.2
4. Big East 15.4
5. ACC 12.5
My take-away from this analysis is that the ACC sucks.
kenpom projects us to 21-9 (12-6) based on cumulative probability, and 24-6 (13-5) based on game-by-game probability.
If we go 11-1 in the noncon with the only loss to Purdue, I'll be 100% thrilled.
I'll now cease obsessing over these numbers.
If we go 11-1 in the noncon with the only loss to Purdue, I'll be 100% thrilled.
I'll now cease obsessing over these numbers.
Shoon iirc had a knee/leg issue that hampered him and then he would get tired quickly to add.
Gilbert outside of his leg injury will always be a mystery as imo it was one of the few times that TJ seemed to kind of skirt the issue at the end aside from some comments like post-KSU mess at Hilton about guys taking it in 1 on 3 or 4 instead of playing within the game.
Probably favoritism but there’s not one single guy on this list I would rather have over TJ
Model needs some tweaking. Calibrate it to TJ at #1 and then you've got it right.
There is absolutely NO WAY there are 24 better coaches than TJ!! Ken needs to make some adjustments
The fact that he can produce what he does from Ames, Iowa should put him in the top 10 alone.
Is this more of a gameday component? Nobody can deny that TJ is a program builder and an elite motivator. But during games he defers to his assistants a lot and can be slow to react to things that aren’t working. But this is largely overcome by his teams effort and attitude which comes straight from TJ.
Need more weight on the shirt-to-torso ratio portion of the algorithm.
You don’t win as many game as TJ has (including going from 2-22 to the sweet 16 in year 1) and beat as many ranked teams as he has without being a great gameday coach.
Steve Forbes at #10??? Leon Rice?
TJ is way better than some of these guys. How is Forbes in the top 10?
Top 25 is good. I’m just saying his real strength is program and culture building where he is top 5 IMO.
In Pomeroy's article about his preseason rankings, he briefly mentions the coaching component. He stresses that this captures what is not already captured by the rest of the model.
In some ways, that leaves me with more questions. It's hard to reconcile the model already including team talent, but having TJ's coaching component be lower despite having teams that overperformed their talent levels, or the model already including recent program performance, but still has Sampson at #1 while TJ is lower.
He said he'll probably write more on the coaching component in the future, which will be interesting.
In some ways, that leaves me with more questions. It's hard to reconcile the model already including team talent, but having TJ's coaching component be lower despite having teams that overperformed their talent levels, or the model already including recent program performance, but still has Sampson at #1 while TJ is lower.
He said he'll probably write more on the coaching component in the future, which will be interesting.
In addition, Kyle Smith…Ritchie McKay…Ron Hunter….Tommy Amaker?????? Some real head scratchers above TJ. Amaker was fired at Michigan for crying out loud.
And how bout Self clear down at 20????
