Hey Pollard stop agreeing to these games

cost of buying two home games against these teams is probably at least $3 mil, then have to know what the price is for a home and home to figure the difference. Is it basically $0 for the home and home? Maybe since the other team gets a big home game out of it. I’m fine with it if it’s a destination like UNLV in Vegas. But Jonesboro on a 110 deg heat index day sucks. Thought I read we were the highest rated team to ever play there. Just glad we got the W and hope Konrardy and Burkle are ok.
I think they also said we were the first ever Big 12 team to play there.
 
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If you don't schedule a home-and-home, then you need to pay another team to visit JTS the next year. So you have to pay $1.5M+ to two teams every year instead of $1.5M to one team a year.

Sure we could try to schedule home-and-homes with someone like a middle-to-bottom P4 team, but they're all trying to maximize their home games too.
Not to mention having to buy-out the games. I can’t believe people don't get it, but I’m starting to.
 
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We should be able to play schools like Northwest Missouri State, University of Kearny, Chadron State, Pittsburg State to name a few. Good Gawd....Look at some of the teams the SEC played in non conference games. Also, Bill Snyder seemed to find some pretty weak opponents when he was coaching.
I wonder if those teams don’t command more money because that are guaranteed wins.
 
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I’ve been fighting this for years. Obviously JP is the best AD we’ve ever had, but it doesn’t mean he gets a free pass on this.

The mob will beat you down with Fuzzy Math and toeing the “company line”.

It can be done. The negatives far out weigh the positives. It’s more than just the bottom line. Which if it’s done correctly, you add $$$ for the season tickets and make money on a game.
No one has been beating anyone down or is towing the company line. We have tried to help others (many ******** about it without understanding the complexities) understand the financials of the situation. If you don’t like the math, that doesn‘t make it fuzzy. It’s been explained several times, but share your math that allows us to afford buy-out these games and afford another home game. Increase ticket prices? Okay, how much of an increase is this fan base willing to accept? Please, show us your math!
 
Hey we are power 4, Matt hates it, give it up!
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No one has been beating anyone down or is towing the company line.

Much like the beer thing though, its been shown in these threads that peer institutions seem to manage not playing in these types of games as often as we do. In both cases people toeing the company line (many who have worked for the AD in the past) come in here and act like its just impossible for ISU to do exactly what our peer schools are.

If Cincy can buy a game with a team like Bowling Green without a return, then so can ISU.
 
Much like the beer thing though, its been shown in these threads that peer institutions seem to manage not playing in these types of games as often as we do. In both cases people toeing the company line (many who have worked for the AD in the past) come in here and act like its just impossible for ISU to do exactly what our peer schools are.

If Cincy can buy a game with a team like Bowling Green without a return, then so can ISU.
The game today was scheduled over a decade ago. At a time that we had the lowest donations in the conference and most of the then P5. In the current B12 we compare better in donations, but most of the new schools get financial help from their university. Vegas and Tulane are intentional destination game. The sec and big can afford to buy whatever they want. It’s more fair to compare how often we are doing home and homes versus the rest of the B12 and ACC. G5 aren’t buyer, they are the buyees. I hated today’s game and wish we could have 7 home games every year. I also understand that it’s a financial issue and the current environment won’t make it any easier, unfortunately.
 
The sec and big can afford to buy whatever they want. It’s more fair to compare how often we are doing home and homes versus the rest of the B12 and ACC.

You're making a straw man here. I was never talking about the big 10 or SEC.

Go look at the rest of the big 12. Its a huge difference for us and our current peers in the conference.
 
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You're making a straw man here. I was never talking about the big 10 or SEC.

Go look at the rest of the big 12. Its a huge difference for us and our current peers in the conference.
Fair regarding sec and big. So, we agree we are just talking about two conferences: the B12 and ACC.

Just this year Stanford (week 0), West Virginia, North Carolina, Houston, UCLA, Oklahoma*, SMU, Utah, Mississippi State, Cal and Iowa State have traveled to play G5s in the first 3 weeks. Next week, Arkansas, Washington, BYU and Cal (again) do the same (didn’t look past week 4). Thats an entire conference worth of teams, granted they are not all B12. I’m too tired to dig up past and future schedules.

Good night!
 
Somewhere a spreadsheet says cost of buying out the opposing team's home game exceeds the additional "profit" generated by having the home game.

I'm guessing they have some analysis that shows if they raised ticket prices by 25% (15% additional game + 10% cost adjustment) they don't come out ahead.

CyTown IN THEORY won't change ISU's perception. They're going to be getting rent if I had to guess and not incremental rent based on revenues from tenants.
sometimes there are intangibles that are not quantified in a spreadsheet.

And those intangibles can certainly cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team….or at a minimum cause undue stress, fatigue, and wear, etc.
 
Not to mention having to buy-out the games. I can’t believe people don't get it, but I’m starting to.
People will pay extra for a home game.

The money is simple.

The “we don’t change the price of the season tickets year to year” is only a sleight of hand.

Pay for the extra game and make us season ticket holders and Single game tickets pay for it.

Still cheaper than going to Jonesboro for a weekend.
 
15k tickets @ $50 is $750k. Plus parking. Plus concessions.

And then you need to consider the possible negative financial consequences of losing to Ohio or Ark St. We are currently #14. We will probably drop after nearly losing in Jonesboro.

If it is me, I vote for playing the two ”cheapest” teams at home plus the Iowa game in the non-con. I don’t care if it is Albany or UMass or Waldorf College. Just play the cheapest teams AT HOME because there is nothing to gain from playing away games against decent competition. Play somebody who is happy to come to Ames and take a paycheck that fits with our financials.
I think what you don’t account for is what that extra home game will cost. If you up season ticket prices another $50, what does that do to the numbers? Look, I’m all for not playing G5 teams on the road, but if I had to choose between that and paying our coaches/players, it’s an easy decision. If you don’t like it, donate more.
 
I get all sides of this debate, agree with both sides on many things. Bottom line is, we played a crappy team that we should have destroyed yesterday and didn't. If we would have, this thread wouldn't even be a thing this morning.

Also, it's incredibly obvious that JP has some minions that peruse and post to these threads, lol!
 
I get all sides of this debate, agree with both sides on many things. Bottom line is, we played a crappy team that we should have destroyed yesterday and didn't. If we would have, this thread wouldn't even be a thing this morning.

Also, it's incredibly obvious that JP has some minions that peruse and post to these threads, lol!
No, it’s been a topic for years, and particularly all week

Interesting that Pollard’s reason for not protecting the KSU game was alluding to not being at a disadvantage in terms of having more difficult schedules
 
15k tickets @ $50 is $750k. Plus parking. Plus concessions.

And then you need to consider the possible negative financial consequences of losing to Ohio or Ark St. We are currently #14. We will probably drop after nearly losing in Jonesboro.

If it is me, I vote for playing the two ”cheapest” teams at home plus the Iowa game in the non-con. I don’t care if it is Albany or UMass or Waldorf College. Just play the cheapest teams AT HOME because there is nothing to gain from playing away games against decent competition. Play somebody who is happy to come to Ames and take a paycheck that fits with our financials.
It's possible to lose these games at home too, then you're paying them to beat you and it's even worse.

If we're losing to Arkansas State, we've got bigger problems to worry about than whether we played them at home, or on the road.
 
cost of buying two home games against these teams is probably at least $3 mil, then have to know what the price is for a home and home to figure the difference. Is it basically $0 for the home and home? Maybe since the other team gets a big home game out of it. I’m fine with it if it’s a destination like UNLV in Vegas. But Jonesboro on a 110 deg heat index day sucks. Thought I read we were the highest rated team to ever play there. Just glad we got the W and hope Konrardy and Burkle are ok.
If only JP had realized it would be 110 degrees in Jonesboro when he scheduled this game 11 year ago.
 

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