Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate

[ClubCy]

Yep, like picking up the not so cute person at bar closing. Better option than Rosie and her five fingers.

Well that is one way to put it haha.

I get annoyed by this moral high ground that us Iowa State fans seem to feel like we owe to the tradition of college athletics.

Obviously, there will never be an invite to either the SEC or Big 10 but if it happened we would say yes before the offer was finished. Leaving behind KSU or whoever, would stink for like a minute and then we’d forget all about them the second Nebraska, Michigan, or Ohio State came to town. I would NOT feel dirty about playing more regional games and making a **** more money for the AD.

 

[Gonzo]

You are fine with a super league as long as EIU and other B10 schools are included, need weaker teams to play so they keep their blue blood status.

No, I'm not. I have literally never said or implied that. You just repeating it doesn't make it true. Lol. And if Iowa and other, lesser B1G programs were included, it wouldn't actually be a "super league."

 

[BCClone]

I agree with you, I was responding to a question asking why they left, I used that as a possibility as well as the fact that Texas was leaving.

Again, I don’t think they should have left and will very quickly come to regret it unless they rapidly turn things around. If they lose to Michaign this week I would imagine the spiral continues

You know this is all TV execs running everything. They were planning the collapse of the big 12 and PAC when they had the LA schools and OuT basically leaving at the same time. Thanks to A&Ms hatred of Texas, they spilled the beans on OuT so we could survive and let the PAC collapse.

 

[BCClone]

Well that is one way to put it haha.

I get annoyed by this moral high ground that us Iowa State fans seem to feel like we owe to the tradition of college athletics.

Obviously, there will never be an invite to either the SEC or Big 10 but if it happened we would say yes before the offer was finished. Leaving behind KSU or whoever, would stink for like a minute and then we’d forget all about them the second Nebraska, Michigan, or Ohio State came to town. I would feel dirty aboit playing more regional games and making a **** more money for the AD.

As much as ISU has went through in conference realignment, basically all our traditional rivals are gone.

The big ten is pretty similar. They get to hold 1-2 rivals but the rest of the games are basically teams new or were in the other division that they rarely saw.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

You know this is all TV execs running everything. They were planning the collapse of the big 12 and PAC when they had the LA schools and OuT basically leaving at the same time. Thanks to A&Ms hatred of Texas, they spilled the beans on OuT so we could survive and let the PAC collapse.

This is more conspiracy theory than anything but again I know I won’t convince anyone of that.

 

[BCClone]

This is more conspiracy theory than anything but again I know I won’t convince anyone of that.

If you don’t think that happened then it means the blue bloods of the sec and big 10 are out there pushing hard to boost their income. That would be a worse scenario for the non blues of those conferences

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If you don’t think that happened then it means the blue bloods of the sec and big 10 are out there pushing hard to boost their income. That would be a worse scenario for the non blues of those conferences

I have no idea how you took what I said and got there but ok. I was talking about the conspiracy of the networks trying to get the conferences to die. The PAC died due to truly incompetent leadership and the big12 survived due to having great leadership in place.

 

[BCClone]

I have no idea how you took what I said and got there but ok. I was talking about the conspiracy of the networks trying to get the conferences to die. The PAC died due to truly incompetent leadership and the big12 survived due to having great leadership in place.

You don’t think the TV gurus were trying to thin the herd? They tried to push us into the AAC. We said no thanks and made a pivot. I agree with you that the PAC had awful leadership. The Utah AD was the biggest thorn in that group. Why I’m not excited about having them in the big 12.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

You don’t think the TV gurus were trying to thin the herd? They tried to push us into the AAC. We said no thanks and made a pivot. I agree with you that the PAC had awful leadership. The Utah AD was the biggest thorn in that group. Why I’m not excited about having them in the big 12.

Nope because if they were they didn’t have to resign you to a TV contract.

But yeah agreed on the PAC, I had no idea things were that bad till Jason Scheers reporting on it. Super eye opening. You guys hit a home run with yormark

 

[Kinch]

You don’t think the TV gurus were trying to thin the herd? They tried to push us into the AAC. We said no thanks and made a pivot. I agree with you that the PAC had awful leadership. The Utah AD was the biggest thorn in that group. Why I’m not excited about having them in the big 12.

One big reason ESPN tried to herd us into the AAC is because it was to Texas and Oklahomas advantage. If the Big 12 disbanded we wouldn’t get a buyout and SEC would get even more money.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Look at the premier league, those perpetual middle and bottom teams fans aren’t happen and unless you were born there they never acquire more fans, all new blood goes to the top 6 teams. It’s great if you’re Liverpool, it’s much worse if you’re Bournemouth

I can assure you, Bournemouth fans are extremely happy to be in the EPL. The goal isn’t to get more fans anyway, it’s to get more money.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Bingo. And, in the case of new football league, it would likely be modeled after pro sports. CBA for players, salary caps, ownership stakes belonging to the teams, parity-designed systems. These are the systems that allow pro sports, including bad teams, to stay afloat and still make tons and tons of money.

Pick out any pro sport league you want, any place, and check the finances of the bottom teams. They're printing money still. They wouldn't exist if they weren't. W/L column isn't the end of the line at that level, and that's the level the A1 college football tier would be going for. People think it would just be today's CFB with different conferences. That's not the future outcome for the top tier, that system will only remain for those left behind in their AA minor league status.

Just saw the new NFL valuations today. 8 teams worth over a billion now. That # was two teams like 24 months ago.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I can assure you, Bournemouth fans are extremely happy to be in the EPL. The goal isn’t to get more fans anyway, it’s to get more money.

Yeah because it’s a business, cfb as much as people throw the term around isn’t.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

One big reason ESPN tried to herd us into the AAC is because it was to Texas and Oklahomas advantage. If the Big 12 disbanded we wouldn’t get a buyout and SEC would get even more money.

You think espn cares about OUT paying an exit fee? Yeah that’s not the reason. If they wanted the Big12 dead they wouldn’t have bid on the rights.

 

[12191987]

You think espn cares about OUT paying an exit fee? Yeah that’s not the reason. If they wanted the Big12 dead they wouldn’t have bid on the rights.

I believe the argument was that they cared about OU/UT joining the SEC immediately.

 

[State2015]

NFL is a super league. Yes there are juggernauts and garbage teams but there’s plenty of parity. Every dynasty has had a slide afterwards.

What’s stopping the top 25-30 teams from forming a super league with no cannon fodder? 12 team playoff, maximum TV dollars. This is what I hope will happen. Those saying that OSU and UGA not signing up for this because they need the northwesterns and vandys are just straight up wrong in my opinion

 

[Kinch]

You think espn cares about OUT paying an exit fee? Yeah that’s not the reason. If they wanted the Big12 dead they wouldn’t have bid on the rights.

The ESPN contract didn’t expire for four years so there was nothing to bid on. Plus, Texas was the controlling decision. You know that they put pressure on ESPN to herd us into the AAC. Within ONE HOUR, of the Houston Chronicle article, Texas Longhorn blogs were calling for end of the Big 12 to save Texas that money. They said as much and they were quoting UT administrators. You have to be very naive to believe that ESPN wasn’t doing the bidding of Del Conte.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

NFL is a super league. Yes there are juggernauts and garbage teams but there’s plenty of parity. Every dynasty has had a slide afterwards.

What’s stopping the top 25-30 teams from forming a super league with no cannon fodder? 12 team playoff, maximum TV dollars. This is what I hope will happen. Those saying that OSU and UGA not signing up for this because they need the northwesterns and vandys are just straight up wrong in my opinion

NFL has parity due to a salary cap and more importantly the draft. Do you see either being implemented in college?

The fans of the top teams right now that we hold as blue bloods don’t want parity, they want every advantage possible so that they can continue to win and be blue bloods.

In your world you think OSU fans will be happy having a couple winning seasons then being bottom tier for years when instead they could just maintain the current status quo and be a powerhouse year after year?

Pretty easy answer.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The ESPN contract didn’t expire for four years so there was nothing to bid on. Plus, Texas was the controlling decision. You know that they put pressure on ESPN to herd us into the AAC. Within ONE HOUR, of the Houston Chronicle article, Texas Longhorn blogs were calling for end of the Big 12 to save Texas that money. They said as much and they were quoting UT administrators. You have to be very naive to believe that ESPN wasn’t doing the bidding of Del Conte.

Oh no the blogs called for it!?! My god I forgot the blogs are gospel!

If ESPN wanted the big12 dead then they by are they paying for part of your current media deal? Same for Fox. No one is forcing them to pay the big12, that’s where this whole conspiracy just immediately falls apart. I know it’s easy (and super common) in the modern world to think that every bad thing that happens is the result of some shadow powerful entity working directly against you but that is so rarely true. If espn and Fox wanted you dead all they had to do was not bid on the media rights. No forcing to the AAC or anything else that is a popular blog post theory. They simply had to not buy the media rights.

 

[12191987]

I agree with you, I was responding to a question asking why they left, I used that as a possibility as well as the fact that Texas was leaving.

Again, I don’t think they should have left and will very quickly come to regret it unless they rapidly turn things around. If they lose to Michaign this week I would imagine the spiral continues

To the degree the move pushed Riley out the door I agree.

To me it seems an open question whether or not we’re in the midst of a sea change event that redefines the perennial powers.

One can imagine an environment where your OUs/Alabamas/USCs no longer compete with your OSUs/Michigans/UTs. Or maybe nothing changes.