When does Manning become a liability?

[cyclonehomer]

doesn't when those 38 points are scored matter? Do it earlier and it changes the type of game it is. Its not the total amount of points that matter, it is how and when you are scoring them and how that impacts the flow of the game in your favor that matters. For example what if we had 21 at half? That probably means Tech has less points because our offense put together a drive and kept Tech off of the field preventing them from scoring, plus our D got some time off. Plus that drive may have wrestled momentum and maybe tired out Tech a little. It is how the game unfolds that tells the story. To make a blanket statement we scored 38, we should have won does not tell the whole story.

To piggy back off of this, the offense only got moving when it was late in the third and it was forced into getting away from running an inside zone on every first down into a brick wall. In no way am I saying it was bad all day, for a stretch the offense looked pretty good. It just (again) happened to be when Manning was forced by game situation to abandon something he should have gotten away from much earlier in the game.

The last possession fizzled when the Cyclones got deep into TTU territory and went back to it again. You can get Breece the ball in different ways, like the few chances he got in the passing game today, he's been underutilized in that aspect pretty consistently imo.

 

[AuH2O]

You realize if the offense doesn’t move the ball and the D is put back on the field right away, it’s more likely they are tired and give up points? I’m not trying to excuse the D, but help ****, we have an all American running back, a 4 year QB and an experienced OLine. We shouldn’t be putting our D in these situations throughout the game. The D played bad, but 14 points against TTU first half is fireable in itself.

Let’s also keep in mind that’s a trash TTU defense and pretty good offense this year. Texas, TCU and OU combined to score 174 on that D.

We were all happy with scoring 30 vs Texas, then realize KU scores 57 on them. The defense wasn’t good yesterday and was bad against WVU. It would nice if every once in a while the D could have an off game and not have it be an automatic loss. Hell how about being completely dominant vs Iowa (2.9 ypc!) and still losing?

ISU has pretty consistently held teams under their normal offensive output, and scored below what teams typically give up.

 

[CloneOutWest]

The problem is Manning struggles in the first half quite a bit. This is becoming a pattern. Heck he could even do jack against a crap Texas defense in the first half. Mannings play calling on that last sequence is why we had to kick a FG instead of a TD. No one is ever open and individuals have to make great plays for us to move the chains often.

Purdy missed two open receivers on the last drive. One to Noel (or maybe it was Wilson?) on a crossing route that would have gone for a long gain and one to Rus in the end zone. Not defending Manning because play calling was not good most of the game, but the plays were there on the last drive, we just didn't make them.

 

[cyclonehomer]

Purdy missed two open receivers on the last drive. One to Noel (or maybe it was Wilson?) on a crossing route that would have gone for a long gain and one to Rus in the end zone. Not defending Manning because play calling was not good most of the game, but the plays were there on the last drive, we just didn't make them.

Yep. Noel was open on a deep crosser and had room to run but didn't really have a shot at the ball. Rus was also open and didn't get a chance.

People need to understand that concerns about Manning not putting the team in the best situation to win =\= everything being his fault. When he's forced to pass more by game situation, the offense routinely looks better and moves it more consistently than early in most games. If he were to make some adjustments I do think he could be okay. I'm just concerned that we keep seeing the same problems outside of a few games which feel circled on the calendar.

 

[GTO]

Manning's play calling is the football equivalent of Prohm's play calling.

The more I think about this, the more I think it's true. Prohm had two plays he ran predictably over and over: iso for Bolton and pick and roll three pointer. Manning has two predictable plays: Breece run up the middle on first down and pass to Hutchinson on second down. Over and over.

 

[usedcarguy]

The problem is Manning struggles in the first half quite a bit. This is becoming a pattern. Heck he could even do jack against a crap Texas defense in the first half. Mannings play calling on that last sequence is why we had to kick a FG instead of a TD. No one is ever open and individuals have to make great plays for us to move the chains often.

I'm in agreement that our play calling at times (especially in the 1st half) lacks creativity. But Purdy misfired to a wide open Jared Rus in the endzone on that last sequence. Not sure how an OC can scheme around a lack of execution.

 

[tolfbfan]

When he leaves with CMC.

 

[SCarolinaCy]

Breece runs the same predictable 3-4 plays every game. Receivers run the same junior high routes every game.

 

[Lineup]

we lost because of Manning and Beth Molins worst announcer in sports