When does Manning become a liability?

[Darius Bieber]

Isn’t this kind of like saying our worst special teams years under Campbell were when we didn’t have a special teams coach? It’s been Manning or no one. You can’t tell me no one in the country wouldn’t be willing to come to ISU and prove what they can do. There is a reason he didn’t stay in the NFL.

Call up any high-scoring G5 team’s OC and they’d be in Ames in a heartbeat

 

[Clonefan32]

But if we fire Manning who is going to call 45 4 yard dig routes a game?

 

[sunset]

Granted the D was **** today, but let’s not float past the fact that without Breece making out of his ass runs and Kolar and Breece being super human, this O would be ****. That was proved today as we were basically shut down against a bad TTU team.
The guy needs to go. With the talent we have this year, it’s a ******* joke this guy is still allowed to call plays.

Last year. Any success we’ve had has been in spite of Manning.

 

[cyclo120]

Isn’t this kind of like saying our worst special teams years under Campbell were when we didn’t have a special teams coach? It’s been Manning or no one. You can’t tell me no one in the country wouldn’t be willing to come to ISU and prove what they can do. There is a reason he didn’t stay in the NFL.

No it means your problem is with Campbell and all things considering do you want to have A problem with Campbell

 

[Clonefan32]

I am no football expert but I’d offer the simple observation that other teams seem to routinely have guys open and even when we do complete passes it’s into very tight windows. No one is ever really open. That would seem on some level to be a scheme issue.

 

[isufbcurt]

I am no football expert but I’d offer the simple observation that other teams seem to routinely have guys open and even when we do complete passes it’s into very tight windows. No one is ever really open. That would seem on some level to be a scheme issue.

I've been very skeptical of our route combinations. They seem overly complicated and long developing.

 

[cyclone87]

You guys always blame the OC for everything, lol. It gets old.

 

[Thomasrickj]

We are far too predictable offensively and it has killed us. It hurt us against Baylor and hurt us today. Does the blame all go on Manning? No. But a lot of it does. It takes being down for a half for him to have some juevos when we need that edge early.

 

[Freebird]

I've been very skeptical of our route combinations. They seem overly complicated and long developing.

Especially when the oline can only give Purdy so much time.

 

[CyArob]

You people are crazy

 

[NorthCyd]

As long as Campbell is here Manning isn't going anywhere again IMO. I'll go ahead and be fine with Manning that being the case. This is still the best era of ISU football by a long shot. Disappointing year no doubt, but still the best ISU has ever been.

 

[Clonefan94]

No it means your problem is with Campbell and all things considering do you want to have A problem with Campbell

I have to give you credit for the subtle strawman here. I guess, if he is happy with these performances against sub par Big 12 foes, then yes, my gripe is with Campbell.

I just hope he isn’t a Gene Chizik type of guy using ISU to give his guys a retirement fund. Campbell is a great coach, but if he doesn’t think ISU could do better than Manning with the talent and experience we have this year, then maybe it is a Campbell problem.

 

[Inthesystem]

@Jeremy and I have been calling for his firing for years. People just can’t see how much he holds this team back with his predictable play calling and his useless motion. David Montgomery breaking tackles every play in the back field and making something out of nothing, Breece always looking to bounce outside after another run call up the middle, and Purdy making something out of an almost constant nothing has made him look decent to people. Next season if Breece leaves he will be exposed big time and everyone will finally see how bad he is.

38 points should be plenty.

 

[jbhtexas]

38 points should be plenty.

It's 2021, not 1921...

 

[Clonefan94]

I just want to say, I’ve been a member of Cyclonefanatic since the beginning and I don’t start a lot of threads, but this has been the longest one of my threads has been at the top of new posts since I joined in 2006. Thank you Fanatics!

 

[isutrevman]

Granted the D was **** today, but let’s not float past the fact that without Breece making out of his ass runs and Kolar and Breece being super human, this O would be ****. That was proved today as we were basically shut down against a bad TTU team.
The guy needs to go. With the talent we have this year, it’s a ******* joke this guy is still allowed to call plays.

We scored 38 points today. Offense was a problem in the 1st half. The defense was even worse. I realize Manning is the fan base's favorite whipping boy, but our two worst losses involved absolute defensive meltdowns against West Virginia and Texas Tech.

 

[isutrevman]

It's 2021, not 1921...

38 should still be plenty. Teams aren't scoring in the Big 12 like they were 5-6 years ago. I'm guessing college teams win 90-95% of the time when they score 38 points.

 

[Scott34]

I'd rather Myers be shown the door before Manning. Not saying that I'm overly happy with Manning but Myers had what should of been our best/most experienced line and they can't do anything.

 

[isutrevman]

Isn’t this kind of like saying our worst special teams years under Campbell were when we didn’t have a special teams coach? It’s been Manning or no one. You can’t tell me no one in the country wouldn’t be willing to come to ISU and prove what they can do. There is a reason he didn’t stay in the NFL.

We scored 38 points. The defense gave up 41 to a redshirt freshman QB getting his first start. What was more of an issue tonight? Not scoring more than 38, or giving up 41?

 

[jbhtexas]

It's been posted before...the coaching staff, particularly on the offense side, lacks P5 coaching experience. Look at the bios. And it shows up during gameday in offensive game management and general game preparation, and in skill position development. A few of the coaches have nothing more than grad assistant experience prior to ISU, and a few others have less than 5 years before ISU.

I think Campbell needs to fix this, or it is going to take him down.