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According to a friend that knows Archibald, the staff was feeling pressure (and no support) from JP very early in the season, and they had no idea why since they were coming off an NCAA year with a victory. I doubt JP would have been trying to get rid of WM without the ok (or prodding) of some big donors. I know some people didn't think WM could coach, but I thought his teams played pretty good D in addition to a fun upstyle tempo to watch, and everybody knows the guy could recruit. No he wasn't a hard-head like Knight, but those kind of coaches aren't very successful at the high d-1 level anymore.
 
CYKOFAN said:
According to a friend that knows Archibald, the staff was feeling pressure (and no support) from JP very early in the season, and they had no idea why since they were coming off an NCAA year with a victory. I doubt JP would have been trying to get rid of WM without the ok (or prodding) of some big donors. I know some people didn't think WM could coach, but I thought his teams played pretty good D in addition to a fun upstyle tempo to watch, and everybody knows the guy could recruit. No he wasn't a hard-head like Knight, but those kind of coaches aren't very successful at the high d-1 level anymore.
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I was in school at the time; hated watching it...wasn't basketball.
 
Morgan's biggest downfall as a coach was that he couldn't get his teams to defend and rebound effectively. The 2-3 zone that was trapping his first two years was great. But no one ever caught on very well to help side, rotation and close outs.
 
JP and Geoffrey summoning Wayne to Geoffrey's Beardshear office at 9 pm. (on a Thurs. eve. I believe) to fire him; that still takes the cake for me. Why couldn't that wait until normal daytime hours?
 
We had 3 very talented teams under Morgan...all 3 were fun to watch when they played hard, and extremely frustrating when they didn't...I don't blame the 2-3 zone or the run and gun style for anything...it was proven that our teams could succeed when they gave an honest effort..
Personally though, I'd much rather watch a team with 16-14 talent go 16-14, than watch a very talented team pick and choose when they were gonna play hard, and consistantly underachieve.
 
We also had the best backcourt in the Big 12 on our 16-14 team...not to mention Vroman and Homan as posts for our NIT team, paired with Sullivan, and 2 great freshman guards...and we started 0-5 the year that we went to the NCAA tourney. We were much more talented than a 9-7 conference team that year....the 2-3 zone worked...when we played like we wanted to be there...the full court pressure and run and gun style worked...when we played like we wanted to be there...there was just never a consistant effort during the 3 years of the Morgan era...and that meant consistant underachieving...just like at Long Beach State.
 
kg-cyclone said:
Okay...so youth is an excuse now.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/48139-youth.html

IMO, the real reason is because we were not doing things right and opponents took note.
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Just thought I would throw that excuse out there :wink:

But seriously, imagine this team if say, Hamilton missed all preseason practice (I do know he missed alot of the summer/fall) and the first few weeks and Brackins played the whole year with a broken hand... That year we also lost 6 very close games, a few things go anothe way and we are looking at 22-7...
 
Clone_12 said:
We also had the best backcourt in the Big 12 on our 16-14 team...not to mention Vroman and Homan as posts for our NIT team, paired with Sullivan, and 2 great freshman guards...and we started 0-5 the year that we went to the NCAA tourney. We were much more talented than a 9-7 conference team that year....the 2-3 zone worked...when we played like we wanted to be there...the full court pressure and run and gun style worked...when we played like we wanted to be there...there was just never a consistant effort during the 3 years of the Morgan era...and that meant consistant underachieving...just like at Long Beach State.
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Yeah... winning in Lawrence, Kansas and sweeping the Jayhawks, beating Eddie Sutton, Bob Knight, Bill Self, Tom Cream, Kelvin Sampson, Thad Matta, Leonard Hamilton playing in Madison Square Garden....we were really "under achieveing." Now maybe if he was from Iowa...
 
cy1225 said:
Yeah... winning in Lawrence, Kansas and sweeping the Jayhawks, beating Eddie Sutton, Bob Knight, Bill Self, Tom Cream, Kelvin Sampson, Thad Matta, Leonard Hamilton playing in Madison Square Garden....we were really "under achieveing." Now maybe if he was from Iowa...
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There was no sweeping of Kansas. No beating Thad Matta, and it's Tom Crean, not Tom Cream. You're argument doesnt have much substance.
 
cybsball20 said:
Just thought I would throw that excuse out there :wink:

But seriously, imagine this team if say, Hamilton missed all preseason practice (I do know he missed alot of the summer/fall) and the first few weeks and Brackins played the whole year with a broken hand... That year we also lost 6 very close games, a few things go anothe way and we are looking at 22-7...
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Some good points...Similar to WJ(foot), Clark(knee) Eikmeyer(flu for over week on the road) Jiri(foot)....Texas (OT home) Kansas (home) Missouri(double ot road)...I guess, I would just like some consistency with your arguments. If your pro Morgan...anti Mac...Just say it, that's your opinion.
 
Anyone remember the AtM game in his last season when ISU was up 3 with like 15 seconds left and AtM took a timeout and Wayne put our defense in a 2-3 zone and AtM drilled a wide open 3 by a guy that had hit multiple 3's in the game to force OT. Of course we got railed in OT, Ughhh so frustrating.
 
kg-cyclone said:
Some good points...Similar to WJ(foot), Clark(knee) Eikmeyer(flu for over week on the road) Jiri(foot)....Texas (OT home) Kansas (home) Missouri(double ot road)...I guess, I would just like some consistency with your arguments. If your pro Morgan...anti Mac...Just say it, that's your opinion.
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would those three games have gotten us to 22 wins? and I was comparing that one season to this year. Eikmeyer being sick is in no way comparable to Taggart...
 
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Beat Matta once...when he was at Xavier.
 
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