THE AI Thread

I mean your tech prediction may end up in this category. That's sort of the point. "AI won't do anything!" doink.

First off, 'sup with the name calling? Does that make you feel more correct in your own assessment?
Whaddya say we rename that "the Dumb-File Effect"?

In the meantime, maybe you're too young to remember Y2K?

Y2K, or the "Year 2000 bug," was a widespread fear that computer systems would crash or malfunction when transitioning from 1999 to 2000. Because early programmers used two digits (e.g., "99" for 1999) to save memory, it was feared that "00" would be interpreted as 1900, causing catastrophic failures in infrastructure, banking, and aviation.. [Google]

In the years leading up to the turn of the millennium, the public gradually became aware of the "Y2K scare", and individual companies predicted the global damage caused by the bug would require anything between $400 billion and $600 billion to rectify. A lack of clarity regarding the potential dangers of the bug led some to stock up on food, water, and firearms, purchase backup generators, and withdraw large sums of money in anticipation of a computer-induced apocalypse. [Wiki]


Ah, yes, I remember it well. Planes fell from the sky. People froze in their homes because their thermostats didn't work. No one got to watch Uncle Lar' take his guys to the Elite Eight.

No, wait...

Now, while it's true that I have more yesterdays than tomorrows, that's not a reason for anyone else to ignore history and not temper predictions with some common sense.

It would also be good to keep in mind that most people enjoy doom-and-gloom because it's hard-wired into our DNA.

Doesn't make the perceived threat real, though, does it?

 
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First off, 'sup with the name calling? Does that make you feel more correct in your own assessment?
Whaddya say we rename that "the Dumb-File Effect"?

In the meantime, maybe you're too young to remember Y2K?

Y2K, or the "Year 2000 bug," was a widespread fear that computer systems would crash or malfunction when transitioning from 1999 to 2000. Because early programmers used two digits (e.g., "99" for 1999) to save memory, it was feared that "00" would be interpreted as 1900, causing catastrophic failures in infrastructure, banking, and aviation.. [Google]

In the years leading up to the turn of the millennium, the public gradually became aware of the "Y2K scare", and individual companies predicted the global damage caused by the bug would require anything between $400 billion and $600 billion to rectify. A lack of clarity regarding the potential dangers of the bug led some to stock up on food, water, and firearms, purchase backup generators, and withdraw large sums of money in anticipation of a computer-induced apocalypse. [Wiki]


Ah, yes, I remember it well. Planes fell from the sky. People froze in their homes because their thermostats didn't work. No one got to watch Uncle Lar' take his guys to the Elite Eight.

No, wait...

Now, while it's true that I have more yesterdays than tomorrows, that's not a reason for anyone else to ignore history and not temper predictions with some common sense.

It would also be good to keep in mind that most people enjoy doom-and-gloom because it's hard-wired into our DNA.

Doesn't make the perceived threat real, though, does it?

If it does fizzle out the outcome COULD be just as bad or worse. So I'm not sure your point is as prescient as you believe.
 
If it does fizzle out the outcome COULD be just as bad or worse.

Interesting. How so? I always thought that if Y2K came true, it would be a challenge that would help people to become more resourceful. Are you saying that we don't have it in us to cope with such an eventuality?

(FWIW, I guess it may be true that farmers are the greatest of optimists...you put something that looks dead in the ground with the expectation that it to come back to life and produce.)

So I'm not sure your point is as prescient as you believe.

Who said anything about prescient? I have made no claims that I'm right about this (there's no way to know at this moment), but I am backing up what I say with facts.

Why does that enrage people?
 
Interesting. How so? I always thought that if Y2K came true, it would be a challenge that would help people to become more resourceful. Are you saying that we don't have it in us to cope with such an eventuality?

(FWIW, I guess it may be true that farmers are the greatest of optimists...you put something that looks dead in the ground with the expectation that it to come back to life and produce.)



Who said anything about prescient? I have made no claims that I'm right about this (there's no way to know at this moment), but I am backing up what I say with facts.

Why does that enrage people?
I cant really go into many of the topics as this isn't in the cave. Biggest reason it could be worse is the economy is very reliant on this AI bubble.

I don't think anyone is enraged by your opinion, I just think this time is different.
 
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I cant really go into many of the topics as this isn't in the cave. Biggest reason it could be worse is the economy is very reliant on this AI bubble.

Yes. That's what happened when the dot.com bubble burst.

I don't think anyone is enraged by your opinion, I just think this time is different.

It certainly may be, but I've been blocked, called names, and dumb-filed in this thread.

I know better than to expect everyone to agree with me on any topic, but it's disappointing that some people have descended to that level instead of refuting with facts rather than vitriol.

What makes you think that this time is different? Do you think we are no longer equipped as a society to deal with any negative outcomes?
 
You’re not entirely wrong, with remote medicine there are already trials of not having physicians on site and essentially just having them review things remotely while RN’s and NA’s handle most things with midlevels involved for more complicated procedures.

At some point a for profit will 100% just have a physician trained AI making these calls and signing off on decisions. Once they get the liability locked in and decide the cost benefit is right it will start.
Ugh, my dad was in the hospital a while back, they roll the monitor in and visit for a few minutes then the next day it was someone different, I don't understand how you get continuity of care that way.
The only good point was maybe you get a different viewpoint if one overlooked something? I'm just not in love with telemedicine but maybe it is fine.
 
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And Da Vinci is a good intermediate step on the way to machines that can pick strawberries effectively.

I’m not gonna wade too deep in here because some of this is hitting uncomfortably close to home, but I will say I’ve been keenly aware for my entire career that the general, high-level goal of my entire industry is the elimination of human labor.

Whether that translates into a massive leisure dividend or the fall of modern Rome (and a descent into a neo Dark Age) will come down to the collaboration between pseudo-oligarchs and governments.

The balance between R&D and product development has shifted heavily towards the latter in the last 10-15 years.

It is coming fast. I don’t think we’re at all prepared.

Do we work in the same industry? I think you've nailed my concern. I see the usefulness, absolutely. But the focus appears to be on making wealthy entities wealthier (at all costs) and not how do we do this with a focus on preserving our environment and ensuring people's ability to live comfortably isn't the cost? Use it to take away things people don't want to do. Like laundry or boring work. Make healthcare more accurate/faster (which IS happening). I don't love AI in the creative spaces, for instance. If the goal is just to make 6 people immorally rich at the cost to the rest of us, what is the point?
 
Yes. That's what happened when the dot.com bubble burst.



It certainly may be, but I've been blocked, called names, and dumb-filed in this thread.

I know better than to expect everyone to agree with me on any topic, but it's disappointing that some people have descended to that level instead of refuting with facts rather than vitriol.

What makes you think that this time is different? Do you think we are no longer equipped as a society to deal with any negative outcomes?
It's different because our obstacles and problems have grown beyond our capabilities and appetite to resolve. So we're all in on the one thing that could save us.
 
One question though, is where does that $20 trillion come from if 95% of the population can’t afford to pay for their services?

I mean, the very foundation of the economy - and what makes a few people super rich - is the exchanging of money for goods and services. You provide a service enough people want to pay you money for, you get rich. If massive numbers of jobs are replaced by AI, and those people aren’t able to find an equivalent income to replace that, sure, the business owners maximize profits by cutting payroll; but if people can’t buy their products, what good does that do them?

This only works with a radical reimagining of how our economy functions. It almost seems like some form of Universal Basic Income (gasp! Socialism!) is ironically the only way to keep the wealthy, wealthy.

I say this very sincerely. They do not look that far ahead. Because it's an issue NOW with housing, education, childcare, etc. And the solution is largely to blame individuals rather than step back and recognizing we are destroying our customer base.
 
just lasered drones

Oh no. It'll just be new variants on what is already happening with social media and surveillance. Deepfakes. People already have a hard time telling what's real or not. Imagine how it's used to destabilize governments and institutions.
 
C'mon. Honestly. Can anyone still say they believe half the stuff on social media? It's so distorted now, I've reached a point where I ignore it. Trust, is something that once lost is very difficult to restore. I've used AI a ton and, quite frankly, it's more expensive than it's currently worth, simply because it's guess-work is very poor. That said, the good part is that search engines have once again started to attempt to 'answer' questions as opposed to trying to sell you something. The pessimist in me says it's only a matter of time before that goes away ... again too. There will be an AI bubble. And, it'll make the dot.com bubble pale by comparison.
 
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First off, 'sup with the name calling? Does that make you feel more correct in your own assessment?
Whaddya say we rename that "the Dumb-File Effect"?

In the meantime, maybe you're too young to remember Y2K?

Y2K, or the "Year 2000 bug," was a widespread fear that computer systems would crash or malfunction when transitioning from 1999 to 2000. Because early programmers used two digits (e.g., "99" for 1999) to save memory, it was feared that "00" would be interpreted as 1900, causing catastrophic failures in infrastructure, banking, and aviation.. [Google]

In the years leading up to the turn of the millennium, the public gradually became aware of the "Y2K scare", and individual companies predicted the global damage caused by the bug would require anything between $400 billion and $600 billion to rectify. A lack of clarity regarding the potential dangers of the bug led some to stock up on food, water, and firearms, purchase backup generators, and withdraw large sums of money in anticipation of a computer-induced apocalypse. [Wiki]


Ah, yes, I remember it well. Planes fell from the sky. People froze in their homes because their thermostats didn't work. No one got to watch Uncle Lar' take his guys to the Elite Eight.

No, wait...

Now, while it's true that I have more yesterdays than tomorrows, that's not a reason for anyone else to ignore history and not temper predictions with some common sense.

It would also be good to keep in mind that most people enjoy doom-and-gloom because it's hard-wired into our DNA.

Doesn't make the perceived threat real, though, does it?

Doink was a reference to a kicker in football hitting the upright and missing the field goal. Not a name call.

I can only hope we prepare for AI as much as we did for y2k.

What is it you’re predicting to happen exactly? AI doesn’t pan out at all?

I’ve been frankly confused by this fascination that everybody has with Netflix …Netflix doesn’t really have or do anything that we can’t or don’t already do ourselves. - Blockbuster CEO Jim Keyes.
 
AI has been brilliant for my personality type, tons of ideas, too lazy to do the legwork, now AI tells me exactly how to bring my ideas to fruition.

Also I expect and am preparing for a calamity to befall humanity not seen in a century to happen by 2032 that will include global civil war, global war, economic disaster etc.
 
AI has been brilliant for my personality type, tons of ideas, too lazy to do the legwork, now AI tells me exactly how to bring my ideas to fruition.

Also I expect and am preparing for a calamity to befall humanity not seen in a century to happen by 2032 that will include global civil war, global war, economic disaster etc.
it wont help you design a mine.

*******
 
It's different because our obstacles and problems have grown beyond our capabilities and appetite to resolve.

Can you be more specific on how the predicted catastrophe of AI is different than Y2K, because the problem that made people think Y2K would be the end of the world really existed at the time, and people used science/tech principles to make those predictions.

So we're all in on the one thing that could save us.

Okay, please forgive me because I seem to have missed an episode: what is the one thing that could save us?

(Side bar: do you think AI is a bigger problem than what man is doing to the planet? Personally, I think the end of times will be when we poison ourselves. And I'm probably saying that because every other person in my entourage seems to be getting cancer these days.)
 
Ugh, my dad was in the hospital a while back, they roll the monitor in and visit for a few minutes then the next day it was someone different, I don't understand how you get continuity of care that way.
The only good point was maybe you get a different viewpoint if one overlooked something? I'm just not in love with telemedicine but maybe it is fine.
That’s why chatting as well as handoff/sign out procedures are so important, big reason for medical errors if it’s not done correctly. Mostly happens during dept transfers/admits but can happen day to day as well.

One of many reasons you want you hospital stay to be as short as possible
 
Can you be more specific on how the predicted catastrophe of AI is different than Y2K, because the problem that made people think Y2K would be the end of the world really existed at the time, and people used science/tech principles to make those predictions.



Okay, please forgive me because I seem to have missed an episode: what is the one thing that could save us?

(Side bar: do you think AI is a bigger problem than what man is doing to the planet? Personally, I think the end of times will be when we poison ourselves. And I'm probably saying that because every other person in my entourage seems to be getting cancer these days.)
I'm saying that politically and that means inter continental politics and economic pressures are becoming so intertwined that its a house of cards. Debt is beyond control, currencies are being converted to a digital format to circumvent the current system which is a system that holds much of the worlds economy captive to the dollar. This is a race to making God. Whoever wins, takes it all. If it fails the old system will crash and it will be a big one.