Terry Allen

[qwerty]

TIme to bring back Pop Warner? Dig it.
or A.W. Ristine, winningest coach with more than one season. Him and Clyde Williams had the glory years (1902-1912).

 

[Messi]

I doubt that Snyder would have had the success at ISU that he had at KSU. The administration would have stood in his way just as much as they did for Walden.

iirc KSU had (has?) a rule where you were auto accepted into KSU if you graduate from a Kansas juco

surely helped Synder those early days when his teams were loaded up with JUCO kids

 

[DrClone]

It was actually pretty miraculous he won 6 games one year. He also gave us Troy Davis,

Yes, and wouldn't play him.

 

[2speedy1]

Walden was hired because he was squeaky clean and that is what the administration thought the program needed. He had ridiculous sanctions including a significant loss of scholarships on a team that already was terribly talent poor, horrible facilities*, and a president that didn't give a rats ass about football or even a little success for the program. Athletics were a distraction to a University. Keep in mind that the loss of scholarships was exacerbated by the fact that you were limited on the number of new schollies you could give in a year so it affected the program even after the sanction expired.

*I was working at the ISC one summer and ran into D!ck Doyle who was the facilities guy for the AD at the stadium. He was scrounging for a sheet of plywood so they could fix the leaky roof in the old press box at the stadium. He couldn't even go out and buy a ******* sheet of plywood!

I agree with this completely. ISU and the administration is what killed our FB program. But the Walden Hire was part of that. They wanted a coach like Walden, and thats what they got.

My only issue is how Walden handled it, and **** talked ISU, He had a crappy hand dealt, but he was not a good coach before ISU, so blaming ISU for being a bad coach was a jerk move.

 

[BryceC]

only if they commemorate it with a coin.

I'd be for bringing him back if we can pelt him with the coins

 

[CYCLNST8]

I'd be for bringing him back if we can pelt him with the coins

Here you go.

 

[CYCLNST8]

TIme to bring back Pop Warner? Dig it.
or A.W. Ristine, winningest coach with more than one season. Him and Clyde Williams had the glory years (1902-1912).

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

It was actually pretty miraculous he won 6 games one year. He also gave us Troy Davis,

He recruited him but didn't play him much.

 

[CloneFanInKC]

He recruited him but didn't play him much.

Except for the return for a TD in the last or second to last game of the year. (IIRC)

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Except for the return for the TD in last or second last game of the year. (IIRC)

McCarney had to beg him to stay and promise him he was going to get carries.

 

[Dgilbertson]

There wouldn't be a Matt Campbell at ISU right now if Rhoads hadn't come in and had some success after Mr. 5-19 left us. He set the bar higher for expectations and success here and ultimately didn't meet that bar at the end of his tenure. I don't get why some still harbor some resentment towards coach Rhoads. Yeah the ending of his tenure here was rough and he deserved to be shown the door after the KSU meltdown but he had a lot of momentum going before the initial conference realignment nearly blew up the Big 12. Don't tell me that didn't set us back in recruiting because it surely did until the conference finally stabilized. Had to been tough trying to convince a kid to come to ISU at that time when other coaches were surely telling them that ISU eventually may not be in a Power 5 conference and even we as fans were panicked at times that would happen.

CMC has been very open to welcoming coach Mac, his staff, and former players and while I have no first hand knowledge of his relationship with Coach Rhoads but it would not surprise me if we eventually see him back as enough time as past it would not seem awkward now. Having Chizik back would be the most awkward and unlikely thing to happen but I feel most of the fanbase still likes Rhoads and would not have an issue with it. Rhoads technically is still part of McCarney's staff too if you want to take another angle on the topic.

I don’t get the sense that Matt has too much esteem for CPR. Not sure I can recall him mentioning his name once in his tenure.

His passion helps build the powder keg, but in retro, he was never going to get us over.

 

[CloneFanInKC]

McCarney had to beg him to stay and promise him he was going to get carries.

I wouldn’t use the word “beg” but generally, yes. Troy was home sick and frustrated with his first year. Mac did have to convince Troy to stay in Ames and prove to Troy what he could do his sophomore year. Thankfully Lone Dog and the OL provided TD to demonstrate his ability.

 

[Cypwr]

Yes, and wouldn't play him.

...because he already had a good RB that was an upperclassmen.

 

[CyState85]

I always admire the perspective of ISU fans from the Bruce years to now. My dad was a season ticket holder from ‘78 to ‘95 but has made it to maybe 5 games in the last 30 years or so. Each time we go to a game now, he is amazed at the facilities, the crowd, etc. We went to the TCU game last year and he spent 45 minutes walking around and admiring the how far the facilities and fan base had come.

 

[DrClone]

...because he already had a good RB that was an upperclassmen.

Can't play 2 running backs. He almost left because he didn't play.

 

[DrClone]

...because he already had a good RB that was an upperclassmen.

Who are you referring to? No one on the roster had more than 350 yards that season.

 

[Cypwr]

Who are you referring to? No one on the roster had more than 350 yards that season.

Calvin Branch. He showed a lot of promise the year before. He transferred after 1994 and ended up in the NFL. There was two other guys who looked promising too but none materialized with the worst team ever at ISU and the coaching change. Also old school coaching where upperclassmen get first shot. If I remember correctly lots of QB carries that year taking carries away from the RB's. I'm not saying Davis wasn't better but I can see how the coaches went with Branch over a FR Davis.

 

[DrClone]

I agree Branch was a decent running back. Don't get why Davis didn't get more carries. Highly touted back coming in and turned out to be one of our best all time.

 

[t-noah]

My guess is there were some FCS and even G5 coaches that would have taken the job, that had a much better resume than Walden. I honestly dont know, I wasnt nearly old enough or informed enough at that time to know who was available, candidates or what was offered etc. But really anyone would have been better than Walden, and probably could have found someone that wasnt such a crybaby.

I agree there were some challenges, but we were paying more than those levels. Our problem was the Walden hire was just what our administration was looking for. Pushing as much attention away from the athletic dept and especially FB. Hire a low rent loser, and disappear into the shadows.

Walden came into a mess, but his attitude, and his coaching ability just made it worse. The ISU mess and climate did not cause him to be a terrible coach, he was already that when he came. Which is what we were looking for.

But Walden's attitude and complaints that he lost because ISU, not because he just was a loser was the biggest issue for me. Dude blamed everyone but himself, but then didnt want to look at the fact he had the same ****** record at WSU before he came here. Instead of coming here and making the best of what he had, he just pissed and moaned that it wasnt his fault.

Criner Killed our FB program, Walden Buried it. At least Criner took responsibility for his actions.

But when you look at what Criner did and see coaches today basically bragging about doing it? Even wearing Tshirts bragging about it. People act like Criner did something absolutely horrible, when these days a recruiting violation gets a slap on the wrist, and paying players is celebrated. All at a time when places like Nebraska were doing all what they were doing.

At the time Orr was charged with violations too, but the FB progam had more and worse and took the brunt of the fall. Does anyone have even a drop of angst towards Orr for those?

Not to mention that we just went through the Gambling issues, and no one blamed anyone in the AD for it.

I guess my only point is people need to stop defending Walden and maybe stop hating on Criner quite so much. Would I bring either back to ISU for recognition? Not a chance. But they are very different people and have different legacies at ISU than coaches like Rhoads, Mac, etc.

But Walden, man, he could play that axe!

 

[t-noah]

100% this. Walden gave up after the administration suspended our best WR (Steve Lester) who was eligible by NCAA standards. Walden just didn't retire for another 5 or 6 years...

And Bill Synder wanted the job that Walden got. One of the great misses in Iowa State history.

With all the lack of funding and administrative support, I wonder if Snyder would have had success at Iowa State, IF he was hired? My gut feeling says, no, certainly not at the same level he had at K-State.

It's pretty shameful how our administration manipulated football in a bad way for maybe what it thought was good (?), when it was ultimately so bad. Easy to see now.