Targeting explanation

Please no comments on this thread, only links to credible sources that explain why that hit on ASU was not targeting. I honestly have no clue on targeting anymore. I want to learn.

I will allow bumps....
Most of us know what targeting is. It hasn't changed. But I guess it did here when the circumstance called for it.

You are supposed to forget that this happened. It's all about the players and their well-being. After this game, of course.
 
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And I don't even need to read this, Sankey wants to change the CFP's rules for 2025. Only one of his precious teams made it to the semifinals. Boo-hoo.
 
I'd like to see a side by side of the Cyclone who was ejected immediately into Big 12 Championship game against OK versus this latest screw job. As I recall, it was a weak call against the kid, and definitely swayed the game toward guess who, yes, another "blue blood".
I instantly thought about the fact that the Texas hit was 10x more egregious than when Isheem Young was kicked out of the championship game against Oklahoma.
 
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It was targeting and anyone that says it wasn't has SEC bias and wanted that conference to win the game. If that hit had occurred earlier in the game, say in the 1st half, it would have been called. But it occurred with less than 4 minutes in the game, ASU would have gotten a new set and of downs and was at the 35 yard line. While their kicking game is poor, they were driving on UT, having scored the last 16 points of the game. The hit occurred, the SEC bias kicked in and the guy making the call gives us the "let the game be determined on the field, and not by the refs call" excuse.
Just like in the ND game, they had a critical 3rd down, made it, but the refs called two guys in motion at the same time. The SEC bias announcer, that played at Alabama, was all over it, correct call, forcing a ND punt. But when the guy stating the rules said it was wrong, that indeed the guy did not have to get completely set on that play, it was after the fact.

Targeting is targeting, even when the SEC teams does it.
 
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This targetting thing just reaffirmed my stance that I won't be caring about college football going forward. Now that ISU and the rest of the Big12 have been effectively relegated, and will continue to get the deck stacked even more against them, I just have a really hard time getting excited.

Unless there's some kind of sweeping change to stop the rich from getting richer, I just don't care about the sport as a whole anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I still go to ISU games for the experience of tailgating and having fun, but beyond that as a TV product it's dead to me.
 
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There are 134 FBS college football teams in the nation. 100 (75%) of them lie outside of the Big 10/SEC. While the Big 10/SEC schools generally have larger fan bases, their total fan base does not exceed the fan bases that make up the vast majority of college football.
This is the way I feel. So you have any research on this? Are there any dB that show this with some accuracy?

Once again, I believe your statement AND I'm being lazy and seeing if someone else has done the work.

This is the core to the argument some of us are making. Next step is what percentage
That was 100% Targeting.

But it is funny that the ASU lineman pulled/suplexed Scataboo in the endzone in the OT. It is also 100% illegal but was missed and never talked about, even praised by the announcers.
So... pulling is not legal? I thought that changed with the pushing change and few years ago. Do we have the rule book reference for this.

I don't really like the pulling thing, but I thought that had changed.
 
This is the way I feel. So you have any research on this? Are there any dB that show this with some accuracy?

Once again, I believe your statement AND I'm being lazy and seeing if someone else has done the work.

This is the core to the argument some of us are making. Next step is what percentage

So... pulling is not legal? I thought that changed with the pushing change and few years ago. Do we have the rule book reference for this.

I don't really like the pulling thing, but I thought that had changed.
No, it was illegal for the ASU lineman to bear hug the ball carrier and pull him forward. You can push from behind, but it should have been called for pulling him forward.

Rule 9-3-2b of the NCAA states that a teammate cannot grasp, pull, or lift the ball carrier to assist in forward progress. The penalty for violating this rule is a five-yard penalty
 
NCAA rule 9-3-2b: offensive players may not grasp, pull, or lift the ball carrier forward.

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Again, much like the still-existing rule requiring all players wear knee pads that actually cover the knee, if officials are going to ignore the rule, players are going to start yanking the ball carrier forward while wearing bicycle shorts that barely cover the thigh. Because if they’ll let you get away with it, you may as well do it. (And I say this with full recognition that Iowa State benefited from having Hansen pulled forward vs. Miami).
 
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I actually think a federal DA should open an investigation and question the officials under oath. With the money involved, i think it is clear that the call is 100 percent wrong, and obviously wrong on replay. so, what was the motivation to make a wrong call? As a prosecutor i would make certain it wasnt monetary.
with the amount of billions wagered on these games, and even with the conference payouts in the hundreds of millions per game, i think criminal investigations should at least be started on blatant, unexplainable bad calls that have a decisive effect on the game. It is one thing yo miss it in real time, quite another to watch instant replay and not call it.

FWIW, as a former player, id like to see the uniform rules fully enforced. knee pads, mouthpieces in, thigh pads sufficient size, shoulder pads of sufficient size. I never really felt like the knee and thigh pads slowed me down much.

there wouldn't be a competitive disadvantage if everyone had to wear a full uniform.
 
No, it was illegal for the ASU lineman to bear hug the ball carrier and pull him forward. You can push from behind, but it should have been called for pulling him forward.

Rule 9-3-2b of the NCAA states that a teammate cannot grasp, pull, or lift the ball carrier to assist in forward progress. The penalty for violating this rule is a five-yard penalty.
That is good to know. It appears they are not calling that much. I remember Miami doing that and suggesting that the linemen need to be considered a ball carrier at thar point and open to all contact.

But, this rule totally negates the need for that. Doesn't appear to be being called anymore.
 
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I understand wanting to emphasize player safety, but the rule is terrible and needs removed. The commentators and rules analyst can't even determine what targeting is. The rule needs to be more like how the NFL does it.
 
with the amount of billions wagered on these games, and even with the conference payouts in the hundreds of millions per game, i think criminal investigations should at least be started on blatant, unexplainable bad calls that have a decisive effect on the game. It is one thing yo miss it in real time, quite another to watch instant replay and not call it.

FWIW, as a former player, id like to see the uniform rules fully enforced. knee pads, mouthpieces in, thigh pads sufficient size, shoulder pads of sufficient size. I never really felt like the knee and thigh pads slowed me down much.

there wouldn't be a competitive disadvantage if everyone had to wear a full uniform.
College football or every conference should do what the NFL does and hire someone to fine the players if they are not in correct uniform. Tired of seeing no kneepads, playing in shorts. ISU was guilty as much as anybody, but it looks tacky and I wish the refs would enforce the rules.
 

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