December, 2024 he was 231.9.
February of 2023 he was 246 and 248.
That's a lot of weight. He certainly did not have much fat to lose.
Those are Carroll's weights last year in November.
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December, 2024 he was 231.9.
February of 2023 he was 246 and 248.
That's a lot of weight. He certainly did not have much fat to lose.
Those are Carroll's weights last year in November.
This whole debate really highlights the need for a 220lb weight class. I think historically, we've seen guys in the 97kg range do better bumping up to HWT than cutting to 197. Doesn't mean that's the right path for these guys though. There is enough competition with football for guys in this range, why does wrestling always seem to make things harder on themselves?
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I agree there is a definite need for a 220 lb weight class and this discussion has highlighted that for sure
I think the 220 lb. weight class is one of the more entertaining in high school. I think collegiate wrestling would be significantly enhanced by the addition of this weight class. It would be highly competitive as there are so many athletes in that size range.
220 would be a terrible weight in NCAA wrestling. There are maybe 5 good guys that are true tweeners that would be good at 220. There would be absolutely no depth and some terrible wrestling (by NCAA D1 standards).
Definitely not needed. Sucks for a guy like Carroll, but he is an exception.
Definitely not needed. Sucks for a guy like Carroll, but he is an exception.
I would disagree that we need a 220 lb weight class.
Heavyweight is already a very watered down weight class. Many of the best HS heavyweights go play football in college. If we add a 220 lb weight class, we'll just have two watered down weights instead of one.
Heavyweight is already a very watered down weight class. Many of the best HS heavyweights go play football in college. If we add a 220 lb weight class, we'll just have two watered down weights instead of one.
An 88 lb spread between two weight classes is too much. There would be plenty of good wrestling in a 220 lb weight class because the wrestling world would adjust. Not sure why we think a kid that is walking around at 235/40 should have to choose between losing 40 lbs or wrestle being outweighed by 40.
Could do a weight that relates to 97kg in freestyle - what is that 212 ?
It would work if you eliminated a weight. Otherwise, all we’re getting is watered down weights with average wrestlers.
168, 180, 195, 220.
Survivorship bias. There are only 5 because everyone else is bulking up of cutting down. This is probably the most common size for an exceptional HS athlete these days.
Not sure how HWT is watered down. It was one of the most competitive classes the last few years. Steveson, Kerk, Yonger, Parris, Hendrikson, Cassioppi, Shutlz....I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Some of these guys go down to 220 and some come up from 197, you'd have more than a good field.
That is probably true, but exceptional athletes are not wrestling in college for the most part.
I like this idea. Adding a weight when things are not great financially for wrestling isn’t probably an option.
And could PART of the reason be that we don't have a spot for them to wrestle comfortably? My whole point is that wrestling always seems to make things unnecessarily hard on themselves when trying to compete with other sports. This is one example. Another is holding our NCAA's on the same weekend as March Madness. No, wrestling is never going to 'win' the competition with football or basketball for either participants or viewers, but things like this don't help. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Let’s add a 115 while we’re at it then? There are certainly HS seniors smaller than 125.
The discussion should be about modifying the weights versus adding 220. 125 & 133, to an extent, have become the weakest weight classes the past few years. I think it is time to adjust. Something like 130, 138, 146, 154, 163, 172, 180, 190, 210, 285 would be better. Yes, there be some great small wrestlers that would struggle but how is that any different then big guys not being able to compete because they can’t get down to 285.
Changing weights would require some agreement on part of college wrestling coaches, right? That would be easy. That's a group of guys that are constantly getting along really well together.
I like the idea of adding an upper weight class, e.g., 215, because, as mentioned, kids are a lot bigger these days. Also, don't most states have a high school weight class larger than 197 and smaller than 285? Iowa does. If the problem is then too many weight classes, I would look to revising the weights, as has been suggested.
