Reclassifying 4A football

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  1. bear24

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  2. FDWxMan

    FDWxMan Well-Known Member

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    4A definitely needs a split. In the past 25 years the small end is getting smaller and the top end schools are getting larger or exploding.

    Is it possible to ever convince the DSM burb schools they'll have to travel to Cedar Falls/Rapids/IC? Probably not.

    But the enrollment spread alone now in 4A definitely supports a 5A/superclass. And throwing in some other variables is likely necessary to split them up properly.
     
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  3. CYCLNST8

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    Can anyone compile a list of what schools should probably be 5A?
     
  4. 1UNI2ISU

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    I don't think you can go straight enrollment. There has to be another factor.

    The following schools are in the Top 30 (over 1000 students 9-11) and they don't compete now and would get worse if you shrunk it down.
    3-Des Moines Lincoln
    6-Des Moines East
    8-Des Moines Roosevelt
    10-Waterloo West
    11-Dubuque Hempstead
    16-Cedar Rapids Jefferson
    17-Davenport West
    18-Sioux City North
    21-Dubuque Senior
    22-Davenport Central
    24-Des Moines North
    25-Marshalltown
    26-Sioux City East
     
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  5. 1UNI2ISU

    1UNI2ISU Well-Known Member

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    The Sabers Proposal splits it into 8 classes plus 8 man.

    The top Class would only have 16 teams. 8 East. 8 West

    East-
    Bettendorf
    Cedar Falls
    CR Kennedy
    CR Prairie
    CR Xavier
    Iowa City High
    Iowa City West
    Linn Mar or Pleasant Valley

    West-
    Dowling
    Valley
    SE Polk
    Ankeny
    Ankeny Centennial
    Waukee
    Ames
    Johnston
     
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    9 classes for football?
     
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  7. FDWxMan

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    Right, I agree.

    But a lot of the backlash to the free/reduced lunch plan seems to be "just suck it up" and "want to play in the top conference."

    I just think it's easier to start by showing some folks that 4A has stretched itself into a range that should be multiple classes to begin with and then hash it out from there.

    Becuase yeah, if you split it right down the middle on enrollement alone, Dowling wouldn't make the top class.
     
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  8. clonedude

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    Why does it say "Linn-Mar or Pleasant Valley"? Linn-Mar should definitely be included, they are huge and have tons of money.

    Kick Dowling and Xavier out IMO.... keep it all public.
     
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  9. Rabbuk

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    Forgot about crwash
     
  10. CycloneVet

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    Xavier isn’t even 4a
     
  11. farminclone

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    And Xavier shouldn’t be in there - they dropped to 3A the last 5 years or so.
     
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  12. Rabbuk

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    Xaviers a bunch of ******* for that. Considering how much they recruit for fball
     
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  14. Gunnerclone

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    #14 Gunnerclone, Jul 19, 2019
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    When DCG and Norwalk get to the largest class then the Suburban League can be formed.

    Waukee
    Waukee NW
    Ankeny
    Ankeny Cent
    WDM valley
    WDM Dowling
    Johnston
    SE Polk
    DCG
    Norwalk
    Urbandale
    Ames

    possibly North Polk in the future to expand the media footprint to the north.
     
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  15. Cyforce

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    No Urbandale?

    Regardless has nothing to do with district football.
     
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    Completely in favor of dramatically reducing the size of class 4A football. There's very little competition week to week. Some of these schools don't stand a chance and there's no point in playing the games
     
  17. Gunnerclone

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    Good catch. Forgot Urbandale. So add Urbandale and Ames and you have 12. North Polk would probably be the next man in or Ankeny or Waukee HS #3.

    The DSM burbs schools aren’t traveling anywhere in this setup.
     
  18. motorcy90

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    Isn't Urbandale now land locked technically?

    NVRM see they have an area extending west between Waukee and Grimes.
     
  19. HandSanitizer

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    here is the top 96 of 364 schools fyi.
    midsize schools that are really running up the chart in the past 10 years are: Norwalk, DCG, Carlise, Bondurant, Ballard, ADM, Gilbert and NorthPolk.

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  20. farminclone

    farminclone Well-Known Member

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    Clear Creek Amana is another one to watch.
     
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