The valuable PAC schools were only leaving for the Big Ten and no one saw that coming. I'm not sure the Big Ten itself saw that coming and it never would have happened if PAC leadership had just taken the deal presented.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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“Never would have happened if PAC leadership had just taken the deal presented”
Like I said, “the PAC” never wanted to save itself.
The PAC 10 could have saved itself, but once USC left their first objective was to wait until they got a BIG invite, regardless of whether waiting killed the PAC
And there was never a suitable deal presented before USC was already BIG-bound…hence them being BIG bound.
Many people saw PAC departures as at least very plausible, as soon as OUT was leaked. To think otherwise was ignoring the fundamentals driving consolidation
I suspect many that go to the schools outside UT and aTm are still actual fans of UT and aTm and outside the years they go to school return to following said top 2.
Alumni base is not exactly a direct correlation to fan base, and as well not to viewership. This is shown in many cases, just as you point out Houston etc. TT has 41K students and their viewership if was directly tied to alumni base should be near the top, ASU has almost 60K students and their viewership is not close to the top. Nebraska has similar students at around 20K as some of the privates, and has been horrible for years, yet still has a huge fanbase and viewership, when compared. Alumni etc is not a good metric, and is a terrible excuse for teams like Baylor that has over 20K students and recent success in football, bball and wbb, yet terrible viewership and fanbase.
Fact is the VAST majority of fans in Texas are fans of UT or aTm, which has been that way for a long time. Those other schools just dont have the fan base, for whatever reason, it still holds outside of UT and aTm none of the other schools matter when it comes to viewership etc. TT for instance is average at best in the B12, and even in a small population state like Iowa, ISU consistently does better than they do in viewership.
Are there fans of other schools in TX sure, do they matter in the grand scheme of things in TX, no. Thats like saying there are fans of Waldorf in Iowa, sure there are, but it is miniscule compared to TOE. I never said there were no fans, (no one caring, was an exaggeration). But the fans that do care are such a tiny minority in the state that it barely matters.
So, for realignment purposes:
All these conferences covet TX schools, because TX, and recruits, but in the grand scheme of media valuation and viewership, those teams really dont matter. And it shows in viewership, and media value, which is what this thread is about. You say well those private schools dont have the fanbase or views because they dont have the numbers and alumni base, sure I will accept that. But that is just all the more reason they arent that valuable in realignment, because as you say they dont have the alumni or fanbase to get the views or value. My point still stands.
UNC donors and alumni would revolt if they tried joining the SEC.
UNC is much more likely to go SEC the B1G. Their AD and others do not like the idea of sending their student athletes across the country to play. They much prefer the SEC geography. There is a reason they voted against the expansion of Cal, Stanford, and SMU.
We'll see but I disagree. Was watching Finebaum's show a few months ago and a lot of talk on there was how NC State was a much better cultural fit for the SEC than UNC.
UNC is pretty snooty tooty especially with academics and many stakeholders like the idea of being aligned with the likes of Michigan, Northwestern, UCLA, etc. than with SEC schools.
UNC Alumi and Admin generally like the smell of their own farts. Definitely a wine and cheese crowd.
They voted against it because they can, they are fine and will have a home if/when the ACC falls apart. In fact, the league falling apart would be a good thing for UNC financially.
It's weird people think the SEC will be in a position of power when it comes to the ACC teams. The Big Ten will get whatever schools it wants. It won't be a big deal because each league will want different teams but the only schools that would take an SEC invite over a B1G are the ones who aren't realistic B1G candidates bc of academics.
I think the Big Ten will take UNC and UVA, the SEC will grab the 2 football schools, the Big 12 will scrape up some leftovers and the rest of the ACC will end up either in a similar situation to the PAC but they'll use the AAC like the PAC used the MWC.
I was never sold on Memphis to the Big 12. I know people are gonna say “…but FedEx”, but if the FedEx money actually moved the needle they would have been added the first time the Big 12 collapsed… and the fact they weren’t even really a discussion the second time it almost collapsed says all I really need to hear about them.
I still think UNC is going Big 10 with Virginia. They get the same kind of money and they still at least get to pretend academics matter. Where that leaves the SEC, considering they have no desire to grab FSU or Clemson and VT and NCST aren’t anywhere near as desirable as UVA and UNC… (shrug) … but eff them. At that point maybe the SEC chooses to stand firm at 16 and the ACC survives, which isn’t great for the Big 12, but none of this is going to matter when the big schools from both the Big 10 and SEC get tired of all these games with the NCAA and the money leeches from their conferences and make their power plays anyway.
The idea that UNC hired Belichick to have the Deion effect seems like a stretch to me. Maybe not that that is what they were hoping, but that it will work out that way.
Deion brings the Deion factor, because of his personality and his outlandish character and actions etc. None of which I would say Belichick has even a slight bit of. Belichick as far as I know is known for a lack of personality more than anything.
The hire may bring a bit more eyes because it is such an outside the box hire, but I would not say because he brings the Deion factor.
I guess we will see how it goes.
Deion brings the Deion factor, because of his personality and his outlandish character and actions etc. None of which I would say Belichick has even a slight bit of. Belichick as far as I know is known for a lack of personality more than anything.
The hire may bring a bit more eyes because it is such an outside the box hire, but I would not say because he brings the Deion factor.
I guess we will see how it goes.
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I kinda disagree on this. Belichick brings similar things as prime (not in the personality part) but in that people will watch just to see them fail and others will be cheering for them to succeed.
Add in the fact that sports media will be tripping over themselves to cover this the way they do with prime and I would also expect a sizable ratings jump. If they actually do ok (I don’t think they will) that number will go even higher like when Colorado is ranked.
Kind of surprised we haven't seen a promo for UNC's first game of next season yet.
I agree that there will be some type of ratings bump, probably a lot, especially the first year. But I think there is a very good chance he has no staying power, because of his age and because he lacks the charisma of Deion.
I disagree. Culturally they're more of a fit for the SEC than the Big 10, plus they'd have Vandy in the same conference for academics.
You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Finebaum and his callers. They're the ones who were saying it.
And what about UNC makes it more of a fit for the SEC in your opinion?
