Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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EIU has rebuilt about every part of their physical structure for football over the last 10/15 years. Are they now going to start tearing that down to rebuild? Facilities at everyone not named Michigan, Ohio St. or Penn. St is always going to lag behind those schools. It's like saying ISU with more money could of caught up to Texas.

Pretty much every P5 school now is reaching the point, that they have just about everything they need to get kids to sign on there. Few have poor facilities like 10 to 20 years ago, at some point the facilities race in football is going to fall back. Hell, even Kansas is now spending tens of millions on football.
The east grandstand is original. I would imagine that's next and it'll have a matching suite level to the west side.

The south grandstand is new but I think they'll want to make it match the north.

Swimming and wrestling have been taken care of already. Baseball and softball are next and I bet they look into a volleyball/gymnastics competition venue that WBB can move into after Caitlin Clark and the hype is gone.

There's never not a way to spend money.
 
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Maybe my experience is different at MSU and Michigan but I’ve never heard of a single alum that cared if it was homecoming/reunion weekend.

Totally agree that the Cali fans only support a winner but I don’t blame them for not showing up to an 0-4 team.
You aren't alone. Homecoming only halfway matters in high school and even that is fading away.
 

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EIU has rebuilt about every part of their physical structure for football over the last 10/15 years. Are they now going to start tearing that down to rebuild? Facilities at everyone not named Michigan, Ohio St. or Penn. St is always going to lag behind those schools. It's like saying ISU with more money could of caught up to Texas.

Pretty much every P5 school now is reaching the point, that they have just about everything they need to get kids to sign on there. Few have poor facilities like 10 to 20 years ago, at some point the facilities race in football is going to fall back. Hell, even Kansas is now spending tens of millions on football.
They could bowl-in the gaps between the E/W and N/S sections. They could tear out the bleachers and put in individual seating. They could install new permanent LED lighting with special effects systems that a lot of stadiums are transitioning to. They could put a massive new scoreboard/videoboard in to replace the existing one that's 10 years old. And yes, anything that's 15 years old could easily and justifiably be upgraded and/or rebuilt. Sorry but for you to say the stadium has been completely topped out and there are zero improvements they could possibly make with new media $$$ is just kind of ridiculous.
 

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They could bowl-in the gaps between the E/W and N/S sections. They could tear out the bleachers and put in individual seating. They could install new permanent LED lighting with special effects systems that a lot of stadiums are transitioning to. They could put a massive new scoreboard/videoboard in to replace the existing one that's 10 years old. And yes, anything that's 15 years old could easily and justifiably be upgraded and/or rebuilt. Sorry but for you to say the stadium has been completely topped out and there are zero improvements they could possibly make with new media $$$ is just kind of ridiculous.

make a giant sphere like the one in Vegas.
 
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The east grandstand is original. I would imagine that's next and it'll have a matching suite level to the west side.

The south grandstand is new but I think they'll want to make it match the north.

Swimming and wrestling have been taken care of already. Baseball and softball are next and I bet they look into a volleyball/gymnastics competition venue that WBB can move into after Caitlin Clark and the hype is gone.

There's never not a way to spend money.

tOSU has built new facilities for everything that could conceivably be built. I wish they would do a soccer specific stadium to get soccer out of Jesse Owens Field but that’s a redone facility that is really nice as is.
 
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Maybe my experience is different at MSU and Michigan but I’ve never heard of a single alum that cared if it was homecoming/reunion weekend.

Totally agree that the Cali fans only support a winner but I don’t blame them for not showing up to an 0-4 team.
I don’t think it matters at ISU. Others here might disagree, but I don’t see a difference. I thought maybe a place like USC might have some big local alumni groups organizing game events, but maybe not.

People will show up to USC football if they are good. But that makes them very typical. People keep tho king back to the days when Snoop and celebs were at full stadiums. They had zero NFL teams at the time and what appeared to be one of the best college teams of all time.
 
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Curious what folks think the Big 12 would look like today if ISU, K-state, and Okie State treated their athletic departments (mainly football) the way they do in 2023, 50 years ago. I wasn’t around during those days but it just seems like those schools were such a non-factor compared to today, and the Big 8 was a 2-school show.

Compared to the Big 10 who seemed to build a great foundation, a lot of schools in the Big 8 seemed to treat athletics as an afterthought. That’s not the case today, but we’re obviously way behind the curve. Maybe if these 3 schools plus Kansas really invested early on then we’d be looking at a different landscape.

Maybe there would have been some better rivalries with OU, Mizzou, Nebby. Interesting to think about
 

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And PAC fans wonder why they can't get a good media deal...


What’s nuts is: we don’t really do a highly publicized spring game, at least not like SEC teams or Ohio State. But I bet one tweet from Pollard asking fans to show up for it would triple the attendance in that photo.
 

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Curious what folks think the Big 12 would look like today if ISU, K-state, and Okie State treated their athletic departments (mainly football) the way they do in 2023, 50 years ago. I wasn’t around during those days but it just seems like those schools were such a non-factor compared to today, and the Big 8 was a 2-school show.

Compared to the Big 10 who seemed to build a great foundation, a lot of schools in the Big 8 seemed to treat athletics as an afterthought. That’s not the case today, but we’re obviously way behind the curve. Maybe if these 3 schools plus Kansas really invested early on then we’d be looking at a different landscape.

Maybe there would have been some better rivalries with OU, Mizzou, Nebby. Interesting to think about
50 years ago, Iowa state built a new stadium and athletic offices. the year before, had Johnny Majors, Matt Blair and Jerry Moses, probably the best coach, defensive and offensive players we ever had. We also had Jackie Sherrill, the best assistant coach in school history (IMHO). Our problem is that Lou McCoullough was cheap. His problem is he had a knack for hiring good coaches, but couldn’t keep them. His last football hire was his worst (Donnie Duncan) and help dig Iowa State a huge hole they are now just getting out of. I am surprised he was able to nab Johnny, however.
 
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They could bowl-in the gaps between the E/W and N/S sections. They could tear out the bleachers and put in individual seating. They could install new permanent LED lighting with special effects systems that a lot of stadiums are transitioning to. They could put a massive new scoreboard/videoboard in to replace the existing one that's 10 years old. And yes, anything that's 15 years old could easily and justifiably be upgraded and/or rebuilt. Sorry but for you to say the stadium has been completely topped out and there are zero improvements they could possibly make with new media $$$ is just kind of ridiculous.
Really not anymore ridiculous then the majority of things you are listing, they "could" do all those things, but they are not going to do few if any of them. Fill in the empty corner spaces, pull out the metal bleachers and put in stadium seating.
What would be the goal of doing most of those things, other than it was football that brought this money in, and therefore they need to spend it on football.

And let's say they do most of those things, how does that improve the amount of wins a school gets. Because if funding were the most important thing to winning than Texas would be Alabama here, with aTm nipping at their heals.
 

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IIRC Iowa AD has something like $200M of debt to pay off. No idea how it’s structured or if it is already being covered, but I would hope the TV money goes toward that asap if needed.
 

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Curious what folks think the Big 12 would look like today if ISU, K-state, and Okie State treated their athletic departments (mainly football) the way they do in 2023, 50 years ago. I wasn’t around during those days but it just seems like those schools were such a non-factor compared to today, and the Big 8 was a 2-school show.

Compared to the Big 10 who seemed to build a great foundation, a lot of schools in the Big 8 seemed to treat athletics as an afterthought. That’s not the case today, but we’re obviously way behind the curve. Maybe if these 3 schools plus Kansas really invested early on then we’d be looking at a different landscape.

Maybe there would have been some better rivalries with OU, Mizzou, Nebby. Interesting to think about
Unless ISU, KU and Okie St were going to get in a Time Machine and join a conference with Ohio State and Michigan, it wouldn’t change much.
 

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IIRC Iowa AD has something like $200M of debt to pay off. No idea how it’s structured or if it is already being covered, but I would hope the TV money goes toward that asap if needed.
Thats easy....you just do what UofIowa always does....dont pay the bill.
Never seen anything quite like it.. brag about all the money they get, then refuse to pay the contracts for work done....because I guess they are broke or something?
 

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What would be the goal of doing most of those things, other than it was football that brought this money in, and therefore they need to spend it on football.
That’s part of the problem. P5 football (and to an extent at some schools, men’s basketball) brings in ridiculous amounts of money. Do those funds flow into the universities’ general funds, to help pay for campus upkeep or educational improvements? No - they stay with the athletic department, and the ADs have to spend that money somewhere. Hence the facilities “arms race” at big-time football schools ... not to mention the huge salaries going to coaches. When athletic departments have all that money, it has to go somewhere, and the Ferentzes and Sabans and Sarks of the world are happy to be the recipients.
 

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Curious what folks think the Big 12 would look like today if ISU, K-state, and Okie State treated their athletic departments (mainly football) the way they do in 2023, 50 years ago. I wasn’t around during those days but it just seems like those schools were such a non-factor compared to today, and the Big 8 was a 2-school show.

Compared to the Big 10 who seemed to build a great foundation, a lot of schools in the Big 8 seemed to treat athletics as an afterthought. That’s not the case today, but we’re obviously way behind the curve. Maybe if these 3 schools plus Kansas really invested early on then we’d be looking at a different landscape.

Maybe there would have been some better rivalries with OU, Mizzou, Nebby. Interesting to think about
50 years is too long, it was 40 years during the 1980's that ISU lost their way in football. A series of poor head coaches were hired, at times the AD and university were almost anti sports, rights at the time two important things happened. Schools started to throw money into football and EIU hired Fry and he turned the program around. Any momentum ISU had during the 70's and the new stadium, was slowly chipped away during the 80's and early 90's.

The Big 8 and Big 12 also hold a some of the blame, OU and Nebraska, later UT and aTm had set up a system to reward those schools, not allowing money to flow to everyone, much like MLB does today, while the B10 set up more of an NFL model, where all schools shared revenue equally.
A perfect storm had developed, EIU was winning, the B8/12 was not providing much money, teams started building up facilities, poor coaching hires, apathy by the AD and university president and ISU, KSU and others just kept losing ground.
 

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Really not anymore ridiculous then the majority of things you are listing, they "could" do all those things, but they are not going to do few if any of them. Fill in the empty corner spaces, pull out the metal bleachers and put in stadium seating.
What would be the goal of doing most of those things, other than it was football that brought this money in, and therefore they need to spend it on football.

And let's say they do most of those things, how does that improve the amount of wins a school gets. Because if funding were the most important thing to winning than Texas would be Alabama here, with aTm nipping at their heals.
You're missing the point. You've said several times there aren't any more improvements they could make to the stadium. I've listed several that are pretty realistic options with a bunch of new $$$... new LED stadium lighting, new scoreboard/videoboard, new stadium seating, etc. And now you say sure they "could" do those things but they won't. I have no idea if they will or won't, I just wanted to show you how your original point, that the stadium is topped out on physical improvements, is nonsense.

And I never said any of those things would improve the number of wins, not sure where you got that.
 

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If you'd like to know how out of control coaching salaries have gotten....

Kirk Ferentz is 6th in the Big Ten at $7M per year.

1-Mel Tucker-$9.56M
2-Ryan Day-$8.78M
3-James Franklin-$8.5M
4-Jim Harbaugh-$8.11M
5-Luke Fickell-$7.9M

And, unfortunately, these numbers are only going to get bigger.

Also, one of those names is not like the others and it's sitting on top.
 

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You're missing the point. You've said several times there aren't any more improvements they could make to the stadium. I've listed several that are pretty realistic options with a bunch of new $$$... new LED stadium lighting, new scoreboard/videoboard, new stadium seating, etc. And now you say sure they "could" do those things but they won't. I have no idea if they will or won't, I just wanted to show you how your original point, that the stadium is topped out on physical improvements, is nonsense.

And I never said any of those things would improve the number of wins, not sure where you got that.
None of those are needed improvements to the stadium or facilities. You can always throw more money at something, but that does not mean a better product, nor produce more wins.

I stand by what I said earlier, the money difference between the leagues that many EIU fans are banking on that think this is going to be a total game changer and put the B10 into a position where every kid and coach will want to go into the league is not going to happen, or at least the bump will be a lot smaller than what many in your fanbase hope it will be.
 

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None of those are needed improvements to the stadium or facilities. You can always throw more money at something, but that does not mean a better product, nor produce more wins.

I stand by what I said earlier, the money difference between the leagues that many EIU fans are banking on that think this is going to be a total game changer and put the B10 into a position where every kid and coach will want to go into the league is not going to happen, or at least the bump will be a lot smaller than what many in your fanbase hope it will be.
Lol, I never ever said any of them were "needed."

You saying "you can always throw more money at something" is a direct 180 from what you've been saying and is the exact point I've been making this whole time.

And I never said any of them would produce more wins. Lol.
 

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