Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Somebody will do an actual streamers/viewers per $$$ spent analysis and realize Big 12 is a pretty good value in terms of real people actually watching the advertising vs dollar spent.

It's also the reason the Pac is completely imploding and wouldn't have been more valuable than Big 12 even if they all stayed together.

ACC seems pretty uneven from program to program in terms of real interest. With Big Ten/SEC/Big 12 you have vast majority of fan bases that are engaged. With Pac it was a minority of fan bases that are actually engaged viewers.

Conference Network Carriage vs Viewership

Not exactly what you mentioned. But this was analysis done of true price customers would have to pay if ESPN, BTN, SECN, ACCN, etc. were ala carte networks. They currently benefit from Fox & Disney forcing cable & streaming services to take the Conference Networks as part of Fox & Disney's bundle of networks.

The ala carte pricing is eye opening. What is more eye opening is how few cable/streaming customers regularly view the Conference Networks.
 
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Projecting 20-30 years is completely a fools errand. I laugh every time someone alludes to fact Iowa needs to be worried because they’re going to be cut out when there is zero evidence to support this.

1) There’s no example in recent history, or to my knowledge ever, an example of any university getting booted from a conference. Let alone a major institution like U of I.

2) Iowa is in the top half of the B10 in brand value and will always get tremendous support from the state with no professional teams. There’s a significant list of schools that would be cut out before Iowa in the highly unlikely event that were to come into play.

3) I’m not an expert in B10 bylaws but I’m guessing there are rules that make it very difficult to expunge any university once they’re admitted.

I get it, fans of ISU don’t like the reality that Iowa is further separating itself and are looking for ways to comfort themselves by saying “Iowa, you’re next!” That’s just not at all based on reality.


BIG TEN TO RETAIN IOWA IN FOOTBALL; Expelled Hawkeyes Will Receive Recognition Until Jan. 1, 1930, Griffith Says. MEETING SET FOR TODAY Commissioner to Confer With Officials of the University atIowa City. No Further Action Indicated. Iowa Officials Optimistic.​



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Credit...The New York Times Archives


CHICAGO, May 27 (AP).--The Big Ten Conference athletic eruption, occasioned by the expulsion of the University of Iowa, today had boiled down to silence and watchful waiting by member schools.

The Athletic also has an article,

Slush funds and spite: The story behind Iowa’s short-lived Big Ten ouster​

Slush funds and spite: The story behind Iowa’s short-lived Big Ten ouster

By Scott Dochterman
Oct 8, 2020

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IOWA CITY, Iowa — Only once in the 125 seasons of Big Ten football has the league punished a school so severely it was not allowed to call itself a member.
That was Iowa in 1930. In an era when every Big Ten school save for one was accused of some level of impropriety, Iowa became the easy mark. It cheated, it got caught and it was expelled. That it was readmitted after one month away misses the point. Its suspension carried a stigma for generations.
Nearly a century’s worth of hard feelings with Minnesota and Illinois began over the incident. It was the only year since 1917 that Iowa hasn’t played Minnesota in football. Their mutual animosity escalated five years later when the schools needed a traveling trophy to simmer their rising tensions. With Illinois, only a basketball recruiting scandal in the late 1980s was perhaps more explosive between the border rivals. The roots of those hard feelings — and others — were born at a regularly scheduled Big Ten meeting in 1929. It caused a calendar year of chaos unlike any other in Big Ten history.
One year after Iowa’s dismissal was confirmed — and 10 months after the school was readmitted — an investigative report by The Cedar Rapids (Iowa) Gazette reporter Verne Marshall provided extensive background on the incident and which person was to blame. A detailed account in the book “75 Years with the Fighting Hawkeyes” by Bert McGrane and **** Lamb, documented Iowa’s path to a Big Ten suspension precisely with slight subjectivity. They supply the background of this 90-year-old saga.

 

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Conference Network Carriage vs Viewership

Not exactly what you mentioned. But this was analysis done of true price customers would have to pay if ESPN, BTN, SECN, ACCN, etc. were ala carte networks. They currently benefit from Fox & Disney forcing cable & streaming services to take the Conference Networks as part of Fox & Disney's bundle of networks.

The ala carte pricing is eye opening. What is more eye opening is how few cable/streaming customers regularly view the Conference Networks.

So basically that means if ESPN/BTN wanted to keep making same profits, the viewers of those networks would have to pay drastically more than they do now? That non-sports viewers are subsidizing sports networks at an insane rate?

It's easy for me to imagine the low viewership living in most populated state where nobody watches pro sports and even less watch college sports. I'm guessing Pac10 Network would be too small to be seen on the chart.
 
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BIG TEN TO RETAIN IOWA IN FOOTBALL; Expelled Hawkeyes Will Receive Recognition Until Jan. 1, 1930, Griffith Says. MEETING SET FOR TODAY Commissioner to Confer With Officials of the University atIowa City. No Further Action Indicated. Iowa Officials Optimistic.​



May 28, 1929
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Credit...The New York Times Archives


CHICAGO, May 27 (AP).--The Big Ten Conference athletic eruption, occasioned by the expulsion of the University of Iowa, today had boiled down to silence and watchful waiting by member schools.

The Athletic also has an article,

Slush funds and spite: The story behind Iowa’s short-lived Big Ten ouster​

Slush funds and spite: The story behind Iowa’s short-lived Big Ten ouster

By Scott Dochterman
Oct 8, 2020

40

IOWA CITY, Iowa — Only once in the 125 seasons of Big Ten football has the league punished a school so severely it was not allowed to call itself a member.
That was Iowa in 1930. In an era when every Big Ten school save for one was accused of some level of impropriety, Iowa became the easy mark. It cheated, it got caught and it was expelled. That it was readmitted after one month away misses the point. Its suspension carried a stigma for generations.
Nearly a century’s worth of hard feelings with Minnesota and Illinois began over the incident. It was the only year since 1917 that Iowa hasn’t played Minnesota in football. Their mutual animosity escalated five years later when the schools needed a traveling trophy to simmer their rising tensions. With Illinois, only a basketball recruiting scandal in the late 1980s was perhaps more explosive between the border rivals. The roots of those hard feelings — and others — were born at a regularly scheduled Big Ten meeting in 1929. It caused a calendar year of chaos unlike any other in Big Ten history.
One year after Iowa’s dismissal was confirmed — and 10 months after the school was readmitted — an investigative report by The Cedar Rapids (Iowa) Gazette reporter Verne Marshall provided extensive background on the incident and which person was to blame. A detailed account in the book “75 Years with the Fighting Hawkeyes” by Bert McGrane and **** Lamb, documented Iowa’s path to a Big Ten suspension precisely with slight subjectivity. They supply the background of this 90-year-old saga.

Iowa was accepted back into the Big 10 a month later.
 

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Conference Network Carriage vs Viewership

Not exactly what you mentioned. But this was analysis done of true price customers would have to pay if ESPN, BTN, SECN, ACCN, etc. were ala carte networks. They currently benefit from Fox & Disney forcing cable & streaming services to take the Conference Networks as part of Fox & Disney's bundle of networks.

The ala carte pricing is eye opening. What is more eye opening is how few cable/streaming customers regularly view the Conference Networks.
Of course nobody watches these networks. The programming sucks. The crappiest football games, non con hoops games against the little sisters of the poor, and Olympic sports that would be lucky to draw 500 people for actual attendance.

I will turn on sports just about every night of the week, but I only tune in to a conference network for ISU FB or MBB games. And if I had to pay a big ala carte fee for those I would probably just skip them.
 
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Of course nobody watches these networks. The programming sucks. The crappies football games, non con hoops games against the little sisters of the poor, and Olympic sports that would be lucky to draw 500 people for actual attendance.

I will turn on sports just about every night of the week, but I only tune in to a conference network for ISU FB or MBB games. And if I had to pay a big ala carte fee for those I would probably just skip them.
The SEC Network, B1G Network and ACC Network all have excellent football and basketball evening wrap-up shows. I wish the Big Xii had that on a Saturday Night after the football games were over.
 

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The SEC Network, B1G Network and ACC Network all have excellent football and basketball evening wrap-up shows. I wish the Big Xii had that on a Saturday Night after the football games were over.
What’s funny is that I agree with the previous post that outside of games I never think about turning on any of those networks. You are correct about the wrap up show but the only reason I turn to it is because espn is usually showing a horrible pac game instead of doing their own show.
 

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I cant stand the ACC so I wont watch that but I will watch the B10 after show because of Illinois.
But ya it would be great if the B12 had a wrap up program.
 

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The Big 12 will have a weekly football show (on Wednesdays) on ESPN+ apparently
That is better than nothing, but I don't stream. However, I do get (and watch) SEC, B1G and ACC Networks on DirecTV. Plus, one hour a week streaming will not move the marketing needle. The Big Xii needs their own 24 / 7 channel. Old news, I know.
 
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That is better than nothing, but I don't stream. However, I do get (and watch) SEC, B1G and ACC Networks on DirecTV. Plus, one hour a week streaming will not move the marketing needle. The Big Xii needs their own 24 / 7 channel. Old news, I know.

You dont have to stream to get ESPNU. it mght cost ya an extra 5 bucks.
 

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What’s funny is that I agree with the previous post that outside of games I never think about turning on any of those networks. You are correct about the wrap up show but the only reason I turn to it is because espn is usually showing a horrible pac game instead of doing their own show.
The other night, I watched an excellent show about the 1981 Clemson National Championship Season on the ACC Network. Man, I remember the year, the team, specific games, etc. I watch stuff like that too on the SEC Network and B1G Network. I think all three are incredible marketing tools, and the fact that I can get all three on DirecTV in DSM is really cool. I get the LHN too, but I only watch that the week after ISU beats the Longhouns to watch the replays, etc. :)
 

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Iowa was readmitted to the Big Ten one month after being booted.
**** Iowa!!!

I am sorry this is an Iowa State Cyclone Board.... **** Iowa. I don't go there to listen to those Jackwagons blow. Im getting tired of them here.
 
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I sincerely hope you're right, but I highly doubt it.
Its not just that, its comparing what the Big12 is making NOW in Current deal, with what the Big 10 is expected to make at the END of their NEXT deal, after an EXPECTED playoff expansion.

Not a fair comparison. Its just like the navigate model that gives everyone $15+/- bump for the playoff expansion in 2 years except the Big 12, because I guess all the other conferences will get a playoff bump but the B12.

You have to compare apples to apples.
 

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I totally agree the money hasn't helped the big ten become dominant. I disagree that you think the big12 will be getting more then 50mil per school. That is higher then anything I have seen but I hope you guys get it.

Perception and recruiting doesn't come from spreadsheets it comes from not having flagship programs. Currently the big 12 has only 3 teams in the top 25 of recruiting right now and those teams will continue to fall down the rankings because they have predominantly 3 star talent. Those 3 teams combined only have 9 total 4 stars or higher. The SEC has 8 teams that have more 4/5 stars combined then those three teams put together and the Big Ten has 5 with more. That is the problem with recruiting and perception that will have to be overcome.
You are still comparing money from now/beginning of a what our next contract may be, to what the END of the Big 10s contract is expected to be with the playoff expansion bump.

If you compare the starting Big 10 to our starting contract they probably arent going to be that far apart. both should have similar bumps from the playoff, and then it just depends on how much growth the contract has. I dont think the Big 12 will have as much growth as the Big 10 but you cant compare expected beginning money in the B12 to the expected ending money in 8 years for the B10.
 

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That is better than nothing, but I don't stream. However, I do get (and watch) SEC, B1G and ACC Networks on DirecTV. Plus, one hour a week streaming will not move the marketing needle. The Big Xii needs their own 24 / 7 channel. Old news, I know.
I stream and cut the cord about 7 years ago, so my perspective may be different. I just don't see the need for a 24/7 channel for the Big12 in 2022 and beyond.

There are so many ways to push content whether it be a subscription platform, YouTube, or Apps.

Unfortunately the current Big12 is a niche conference. By that I mean, the current 10 teams are located in 5 states. With 80% of Big12 schools from 3 states.

Compare that to the other P5 conferences in 2022:
  • Big10: 14 teams/11 states
  • SEC: 14 teams/11 states
  • ACC: 14 teams/9 states
  • Pac12: 12 teams/6 states
In the future the Big12 bumps to 12 teams in 8 states, a much more diverse base. But will still pale the Big10 & SEC which will be in 12 states- minimum.