Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[2speedy1]

Going back to 2013 is irrelevant data and pointless.

I agree, but I have seen worse. I believe Altmore goes back several years before that even, and then some of his latest (newest) data points are 2016-2017. And he claims that his analysis is all encompassing.

Personally, I think so much has changed in a decade that looking at a decade old data is irrelevant too, but some claim that it shows fluctuations that way. But if you look at that long of a data sample you have to take into account the trajectory of the data, whether it is flat, upward, or downward, and no one is doing that.

I personally think that trajectory is more important than average. If School A's stats are on an upward trajectory, and School Bs is on a downward Trajectory, even though, they average the same. The one on the upward trajectory is more valuable, because they are moving in the right direction, and increasing. But no one is looking and showing that data point. Because it doesn't fit their narrative.

 

[jcyclonee]

Yeah, my brother got an eye opener when he went to boot camp years ago and he said he was from Iowa and some of the other guys wanted to know if that was in the U.S.

It's not. It's in heaven.

 

[BryceC]

It is amazing the complete lack of basic education, this country has. We no longer teach the basics. Things like geography are not even required anymore. It is sad how many people dont know basic history and geography.

In my travels around it amazes me how little basic knowledge and common sense people today have. I have had people mistake where Iowa is and confused it with other states dozens of times in my life. With not a huge amount of travel.

It is really sad.

Thankfully I have kids that choose to learn, and seek out knowledge.

Iowa has always been a mystery to people. This isn’t new.

 

[Pope]

It is amazing the complete lack of basic education, this country has. We no longer teach the basics. Things like geography are not even required anymore. It is sad how many people dont know basic history and geography.

In my travels around it amazes me how little basic knowledge and common sense people today have. I have had people mistake where Iowa is and confused it with other states dozens of times in my life. With not a huge amount of travel.

It is really sad.

Thankfully I have kids that choose to learn, and seek out knowledge.

So you're saying the rest of the country is very uneducated, but your family is an exception. Boy, you must be so proud.

 

[Cyforce]

I'd think you'd go after Oregon, Washington, either Arizaon/ASU, and maybe which ever one has a good consistent ratings.

If you're saying Arizona or Arizona St you're really too far out of the conversation to participate.

 

[Cyforce]

Iowa has always been a mystery to people. This isn’t new.

Just think how bad they are at finding the Not a State states.

 

[2speedy1]

So you're saying the rest of the country is very uneducated, but your family is an exception. Boy, you must be so proud.

No, not what I said, but glad you misread as usual. J/A.

But yeah I am proud of my Kids! Jerk!

 

[fcclone]

My favorite thing in grade school was having to learn every state, where each is located and the capital of each. It's shocking how many can't do this/were never taught it.

Confession time. I still get Vermont and New Hampshire mixed up.

 

[exCyDing]

Confession time. I still get Vermont and New Hampshire mixed up.

Vermont is skinnier at the bottom than at the top, like a V. New Hampshire is the other one.

 

[heitclone]

Confession time. I still get Vermont and New Hampshire mixed up.

New Hampshire actually has ocean shoreline, it's less than 20 miles but it's how I remember which is which. NH is the one thats closer to the ocean.

 

[jctisu]

Confession time. I still get Vermont and New Hampshire mixed up.

YOU MONSTER!!!

 

[2speedy1]

Vermont is skinnier at the bottom than at the top, like a V. New Hampshire is the other one.

Thats is how I have always remembered it. Vermont shaped like a V.

 

[cyatheart]

I've been thinking this way more and more.

Utah:
- About 3 million people
- Fastest growing state however...
- Also has impending ecological disaster that could slow growth (toxic metals in air)
- Big 12 already has largest fanbase BYU, BYU's fanbase also brings a bit of a national following
- Utah's AD, academic profile and football program are very good
- I'd lean toward yes on Utah, but I can easily see how some number cruncher might say no.

Colorado:
- In the current climate there's no down side to bringing them back in. If Big Ten or SEC some calling for some outlandish reason, they can leave again if they want but I doubt it happens.

Arizona:
- About 7 million people, larger than Utah market
- Arizona is elite basketball adding to the already clear #1 by a mile basketball conference
- Not sure why Arizona seems the #1 choice over ASU
- I'd lean toward adding both but again wouldn't be surprised at all if a number cruncher suggests Big 12 only adds one of them
- There is an outside chance SEC wants in Arizona someday, so if you take both you likely always have one

SDSU:
- Not sure I buy this anymore. It made sense when goal was to crumble Pac 12.
- I don't think they ACTUALLY bring any part of a CA market. I'm not sure UCLA/Cal/Stanford even do.
- For whatever reason a lot of people put them as the #1 group of five free agent though.
- I'd say as many as 6 ACC highly likely refugees someday might make a more logical fit, let SDSU slowly strengthen the MWC instead of joining Big 12.

With ACC almost guaranteed to splinter I don't know why anybody would talk about anyone outside those five, I really don't even get SDSU talk. Already adding BYU was no reach at all, they more than deserve to be in a major conference. UCF is worth gamble on upside. Time will tell on Cincy/Houston. Had the Big 12 not have added BYU and Houston I think Pac would've already reached out to both because they are in survival mode and both bring more than SDSU.

I think you use SDSU to leverage the 4 corner schools. You say we got room for 2 (or 4) but at reduced payouts, first ones to agree are in. Make sure you float a SDSU to big 12 rumor to McMurphy in the process.

All these schools have major issues which is why they are available. Colorado no fans and suck at everything and they don't care, Arizona horrible at football and prob soon to be on probation, ASU total joke of athletic department, Utah total pricks and we already have big brother in a tiny state, sdsu no fans.

 

[aeroclone]

I agree, but I have seen worse. I believe Altmore goes back several years before that even, and then some of his latest (newest) data points are 2016-2017. And he claims that his analysis is all encompassing.

Personally, I think so much has changed in a decade that looking at a decade old data is irrelevant too, but some claim that it shows fluctuations that way. But if you look at that long of a data sample you have to take into account the trajectory of the data, whether it is flat, upward, or downward, and no one is doing that.

I personally think that trajectory is more important than average. If School A's stats are on an upward trajectory, and School Bs is on a downward Trajectory, even though, they average the same. The one on the upward trajectory is more valuable, because they are moving in the right direction, and increasing. But no one is looking and showing that data point. Because it doesn't fit their narrative.

Our fans want to look at more recent data because the last 5 years is probably the best 5 year stretch in school history. Same thing with placing an emphasis on trajectory. We wouldn't value that as much if we weren't on an upswing.

Conference alignment needs to be looked at as a very long term decision. So far we haven't seen a member kicked out and demoted, so before accepting a new member in you need to look at not only their ability to drive more revenue today, but also to maintain that for decades to come. To me that helps make the case for looking at performance over a longer period, as they will likely drift toward their historical averages overall. Peaks and valleys will be shorter term and driven by quality of coaching hires.

 

[cyphoon]

Confession time. I still get Vermont and New Hampshire mixed up.

New Hampshire looks like a pork chop, which helps if you know that hampshire is a breed of pig. Vermont looks more like a New York strip, which of course, is because it borders NY state.

H

 

[CYTUTT]

Iowa has always been a mystery to people. This isn’t new.

Please, never let this change. I always wanted Iowa to grow In population and national awareness, but now I hope we just continue to be fly-over country. There is a lot to be said for the life style the state has to offer.

 

[Jeffrey Scott]

I now live in New Hampshire, so I did finally figure out the difference between Vermont and NH and I live within minutes of that 20 mile coastline.

The biggest difference between the two states is revealed in the spring when maple syrup is made.

In the old days maple syrup manufacturers would tap a tree, hang a bucket and collect the sap. Today they run hoses from the trees into larger collecting bins. In those old days, sometimes squirrels would squeeze their way into those covered individual buckets. What happens next? The NH maple sugar farmer just throws out the squirrel and uses the sap anyway. The Vermont farmer takes the squirrel out of the bucket, wrings out the sap into the bucket and uses the sap to make the syrup. It's a great flinty, Yankee joke.

It goes over with a bang here in NH and in MA. Maine not so much.

Another way to think about the difference is that Vermont looks like a V, and NH looks like an N.

People out here can't tell the difference between any state past the Mississippi River except maybe California.

 

[isucy86]

My favorite thing in grade school was having to learn every state, where each is located and the capital of each. It's shocking how many can't do this/were never taught it.

I would agree geography knowledge is lacking and people tend to be pretty dumb and have stereotypical attitudes about areas outside where they have lived.

But schools aren't only to blame. Education starts and ends in the home.

Just a simple & fun thing like a US states puzzle can develop a life long interest (and knowledge) in geography.

 

[BryceC]

I enjoy geography and maps and stuff like that. There are a lot of people that couldn't care less. Nothing wrong with it.

 

[Cloneon]

Agree.

The top PAC schools are worth a lot more in BIG.


All OSU games draw well, but Oregon-OSU was top-10 on the year and better than any other OSU game except OSU-Michigan. Add in BTN implications, the BIG adding the late window, and getting more of the base pay of CFP, and the revenue gap is narrowed, if not closed

Or add Phil Knight’s money

A big part of that Oregon/OSU game was 'interconference' interest. That'd disappear if Oregon joins the B1G. People underestimate the importance of interconference play in viewership.