Your last sentence is one of the things I’ve been thinking about lately. If the big ten holds its pattern for a couple years it will force Oregon to move somewhere in the next year since the pac isn’t viable. Does Oregon have enough value to the Big12 that they could bring OSU along is the real question.
The Sicem guys numbers had Boise as a bigger draw than Oregon State too, which is very much not a good look for OSUWell in the scenario mentioned, Cal was in the B1G. Just because you are currently in the P5, doesn’t automatically make you better than a G5 school. The schools you mentioned will be going G5 as well so technically they aren’t any better, as they are G5 too.
Sign me up for this. I think it makes sense for the benefit of most of the parties.This podcast from the Athlon Sports guys is a must listen. Start at the 28:00 mark.
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The TLDR version:
B1G is currently evaluating Oregon/WA/Stanford/Cal
If B1G passes, than we get those four + the corners.
If B1G takes them, we still get the corners.
He spoke pretty confidently that
1. There is no way/no how the PAC survives.
2. CBS may be willing to over pay for an expanded and rebranded Big 12 (they’re in danger of being shut out of the SEC/B1G).
He went on to surmise, after speaking with industry sources, that the new look Big 12 could be playing Thur/Fri/Sat after dark games.
He sounded pretty confident in all this, and that we’ll probably learn about the next expansion moves within about a month.
I agree. That seems like a lot of mouths to feed, though, even if CBS overpays.Sign me up for this. I think it makes sense for the benefit of most of the parties.
This seems plausible and if the B1G adds ND, Stanford, Cal and Washington then the PAC is done. What 4 does the Big 12 take? I think Oregon, Arizona, ASU and Colorado. Utah is left out and goes back to G5.
Could not disagree more. After what this conference has been through to be the one that survives is worth forcing all the pundits to say Big 12 over and over again.Honestly I think we should rebrand if there are 4+ teams brought on. The Big 12 as a brand has been kicked in the teeth so many times you have programs like Utah who can't possibly imagine joining up. We need to trash it and start over.
The problem I have with SDSU everyone really thinks they are a great add, but last year, when they were 12-2, when to the MWC championship and won the Frisco Bowl, they had pretty terrible viewership, and attendance for them is even worse. Their viewership in an excellent year, was 78th in the country, below all the other G5s mentioned, and only averaged 198K viewers. That is not good.Well in the scenario mentioned, Cal was in the B1G. Just because you are currently in the P5, doesn’t automatically make you better than a G5 school. The schools you mentioned will be going G5 as well so technically they aren’t any better, as they are G5 too.
The talk of Cal being a G5 school is silly. If Cal doesn't end up in the Big10, they would definitely end up in the Big12. The only exception would be if Cal dropped FB! The TV folks will not pass up on having a school in the 6th largest TV market. Why do people think UCF & Houston were added by Big12 last summer.
If Oregon doesn't get a Big10 invite, I would also suspect that Oregon/Oregon State would be a package deal.
Right now, until there is a change to the playoffs or NY6, there are 5 power conferences stated, if one goes away, it goes away. If one changes their name, they are idiots to voluntarily give that hope and hope to get it back
There will be no rebranding at least until 2026.
The problem I have with SDSU everyone really thinks they are a great add, but last year, when they were 12-2, when to the MWC championship and won the Frisco Bowl, they had pretty terrible viewership, and attendance for them is even worse. Their viewership in an excellent year, was 78th in the country, below all the other G5s mentioned, and only averaged 198K viewers. That is not good.
What's worse is Cal is barely ahead of that, at 76th and 222k average viewers last year. And for transparency, with a year that Houston had, they didnt do very well either, considering.
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My guess is Oregon/Oregon State combination would be breakeven +- for the Big12.Your last sentence is one of the things I’ve been thinking about lately. If the big ten holds its pattern for a couple years it will force Oregon to move somewhere in the next year since the pac isn’t viable. Does Oregon have enough value to the Big12 that they could bring OSU along is the real question.
Are you even reading the posts you’re replying to? That scenario had Cal in the B1G, why are you talking about being G5?The talk of Cal being a G5 school is silly. If Cal doesn't end up in the Big10, they would definitely end up in the Big12. The only exception would be if Cal dropped FB! The TV folks will not pass up on having a school in the 6th largest TV market. Why do people think UCF & Houston were added by Big12 last summer.
If Oregon doesn't get a Big10 invite, I would also suspect that Oregon/Oregon State would be a package deal.
Im just curious why people think SDSU is for sure going to get that much of a bump if they get added to a P5 conference.If Houston (and SDSU) don't get decent bumps from being in the Big 12, this is kind of moot imo.
As you alluded to, the worst part of Cal is they've had the P5 advantage. Being in the top brand in the West, one people are still delusional about as this power conference, even though it has been easy to win compared to other P5s.
What happens when they are no longer equal to their historic peers in CA and west? Cal as an off-brand in its region, in a conference with 4 corners and Big 12?
Locally, I think they really suffer.
But due to the academics and history of being in the PAC, they are a name brand. Currently one that does not translate to viewers, but there is some upside for those in the Big 12 and others areas of the nation to watch them, if they are good, imo
My guess is Oregon/Oregon State combination would be breakeven +- for the Big12.
Oregon's upside value for Big12 is as a playoff team. National brand and hopefully Lanning is the real deal.
Plus, once we start hitting 20 team conferences, the dilutive effect of Oregon State on per school revenue is probably less than $1M/school. Not meaningless dollars, but to get Oregon and a solid rivalry game isn't a bad thing.
Im just curious why people think SDSU is for sure going to get that much of a bump if they get added to a P5 conference.
They had less than a 3rd of the viewers than Boise St in the same conference when Boise St went 7-5, while they went 12-2.
They are in a much larger media market, without an NFL team now and still their viewership is horrible. I dont think the potential for a bump is as great as some think.
UCF had double the Viewership in a 9-4 year.
I think they get a bump, but much of that bump will come from the P5 schools not from them. They just dont seem to bring that many viewers even on their best years, a similar problem for Houston.
I kind of think it’s as sime as if the Big 10 wants Oregon, they’re going. If the Big 10 doesn’t want them, I think if the corners go Big 12, Oregon is out of options. I don’t think independent is viable, so unless there’s an SEC Hail Mary, I think Oregon would pout and come to the Big 12.Your last sentence is one of the things I’ve been thinking about lately. If the big ten holds its pattern for a couple years it will force Oregon to move somewhere in the next year since the pac isn’t viable. Does Oregon have enough value to the Big12 that they could bring OSU along is the real question.
With most of these I would prefer it if wasnt such a dip in per team revenue. Maybe with the OSU and WSUs of the world if Oregon and UW really wanted their in state brethren along, or their state legislatures held them hostage they could come in with several years of foregoing media $ to make it worth it. If it was that or MWC they would surely do it.My guess is Oregon/Oregon State combination would be breakeven +- for the Big12.
Oregon's upside value for Big12 is as a playoff team. National brand and hopefully Lanning is the real deal.
Plus, once we start hitting 20 team conferences, the dilutive effect of Oregon State on per school revenue is probably less than $1M/school. Not meaningless dollars, but to get Oregon and a solid rivalry game isn't a bad thing.