Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[CysRage]

FWIW, I heard on Miller and Condon this morning the ACC network (owned by ESPN) is loosing a ton of money. Maybe it makes more sense to only pay the 4 schools rumored to be leaving than the entire conference.

If that’s the case, why does ESPN even do team/conference networks? So far they are 1 for 3 in success.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Source: Virginia, North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson in Talks to Join SEC

A source told SwimSwam that Virginia, UNC, FSU, and Clemson are negotiating to join the SEC as ESPN attempts to void their 20-year TV deal with the ACC.

swimswam.com

Swimswam, the #1 destination for swim news on the web (self-proclaimed), is reporting some more details behind their claim

SEC swimming is going to be lit.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

Let's hypothetically say these are the moves:
B1G: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Notre Dame
SEC: UVA, UNC, Clemson, FSU

What teams do you add to Big 12 and how big do you go? Those moves power 2 to 20 each.

I'd say let's go to 20 as well with 8 invites:

AZ/ASU/Utah/Colorado (the mountain 4 everyone is talking about)
Miami
Pitt
Georgia Tech
Va Tech

On deck: Cal, Louisville, NC State, Duke,

Big 12 becomes coast to coast except no new england and no pacific northwest.

Forget Pitt and GTech, Louisville and Duke, go for premier basketball conference and hope basketball grows well over the next decade.

Besides that makes sense, 60 looks like they will make the cut.

 

[HFCS]

I would flip Louisville and Georgia Tech personally

I remember in the really old early days of realignment Georgia Tech was always mentioned as a Big Ten add for some reason. I really know very little about them. In terms of recent athletic success and geographic fit Louisville is better. I have no idea how much of the growing large population of Georgia that GTech actually gets. I imagine their % is similar to ISU in Iowa but have to add in all the pro sports that takes it down quite a bit.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

The UCF and Cinci pickups make a lot more sense to put B12 in position to pick off ACC leftovers. The Big 12 could be a premiere basketball conference that will make the SEC a little jealous during basketball season.

 

[HFCS]

Isn't Miami suddenly Big 12's #1 target if all these rumors are true?

Would Miami suddenly be more appealing to Big Ten to not be left out of Texas and Florida entirely since they already threw geography out the window?

 

[CysRage]

The lesson learned is that there is no such thing as an “Alliance”. There are no friendly Conferences. There are no friends. The Big 12 is most stable of the non-P2. Those schools understand they are wanted by no one else. As a collective group they provide the best opportunity for their mutual benefit. The Big 12 will be the #3 Conference. Time for the decision to be part of the #3 or become a newer version of the Mountain West.

Yup. If the Big Ten or even the SEC wanted KU or say OSU, they would be gone already. I hope this is understood by the rest of the Big 12 to stop shopping around and accept we are the unwanted teams by the Power 2 but we can easily be the #3 conference. We have UT and OU by the balls to pay through their teeth for leaving but that is only if the conference stays together. Go get the best of the Pac and ACC leftovers and we have an awesome conference that will still make more money than the schools know to do with it.

 

[HFCS]

If the swimmer man is correct then I could absolutely see Washington, Oregon, Miami, and Notre Dame go to the B1G. It’s their only way into Florida and still has a huge fanbase.

The Big 12 could end up with the 4 corner schools plus VaTech, NC State, Pitt, and then 1-3 of Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, Georgia Tech. B1G and SEC at 20, Big 12 at 20-22.

Equally as likely as any outcome IMO because who knows

yeah, earlier I wrote Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame but now that I think about it, with geography out the window completely, they would go Miami before Stanford or Washington.

I remember a loooooooooong time ago they always had Georgia Tech Big Ten rumor for some weird reason.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

I remember in the really old early days of realignment Georgia Tech was always mentioned as a Big Ten add for some reason. I really know very little about them. In terms of recent athletic success and geographic fit Louisville is better. I have no idea how much of the growing large population of Georgia that GTech actually gets. I imagine their % is similar to ISU in Iowa but have to add in all the pro sports that takes it down quite a bit.

Because of academics (see the Big10 Academic Alliance) and it "brings" them the Atlanta market, which is the same mentality that Maryland/Rutgers "brings" the DC/NYC markets.

 

[HFCS]

Yup. If the Big Ten or even the SEC wanted KU or say OSU, they would be gone already. I hope this is understood by the rest of the Big 12 to stop shopping around and accept we are the unwanted teams by the Power 2 but we can easily be the #3 conference. We have UT and OU by the balls to pay through their teeth for leaving but that is only if the conference stays together. Go get the best of the Pac and ACC leftovers and we have an awesome conference that will still make more money than the schools know to do with it.

I only brought it up if both conferences go to 24 or beyond.

At some point you're comparing Ok State, KU and ISU to teams like Wake Forest and NC State when you already have UNC. Really though, that probably means it stops there.

There's a 0% chance for ISU or OKState to join Big10/SEC unless they go to 48 or beyond.

 

[enisthemenace]

I remember in the really old early days of realignment Georgia Tech was always mentioned as a Big Ten add for some reason. I really know very little about them. In terms of recent athletic success and geographic fit Louisville is better. I have no idea how much of the growing large population of Georgia that GTech actually gets. I imagine their % is similar to ISU in Iowa but have to add in all the pro sports that takes it down quite a bit.

I could be wrong, but GT:

- AAU Member
- Would (have) put the BTN in the Atlanta market which is top 10

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I remember in the really old early days of realignment Georgia Tech was always mentioned as a Big Ten add for some reason. I really know very little about them. In terms of recent athletic success and geographic fit Louisville is better. I have no idea how much of the growing large population of Georgia that GTech actually gets. I imagine their % is similar to ISU in Iowa but have to add in all the pro sports that takes it down quite a bit.

Yeah GT was considered a priority during the first realignment rounds but with the changes to linear cable they are no longer on the short list. The fact that they have become completely irrelevant in athletics doesn’t help either.

 

[WhoISthis]

If the swimmer man is correct then I could absolutely see Washington, Oregon, Miami, and Notre Dame go to the B1G. It’s their only way into Florida and still has a huge fanbase.

slight disagreement there- Miami does not still have a huge fan base. Arguably they never did. Miami is like USC in that locally there is some apathy but they are still a name the rest of the nation cares about. A good FSU-Miami matchup will be watched by casual college football fans.

Also a good amount of BIG fans in FL/Miami

 

[Clark]

Isn't Miami suddenly Big 12's #1 target if all these rumors are true?

Would Miami suddenly be more appealing to Big Ten to not be left out of Texas and Florida entirely since they already threw geography out the window?

Geography is out the window but they would really be out on an island. This is also where ND would have some leverage. If they'd rather have Stanford, it will be Stanford. If they want Miami, it will be Miami. If they want both, it will be both.

 

[HFCS]

Because of academics (see the Big10 Academic Alliance) and it "brings" them the Atlanta market, which is the same mentality that Maryland/Rutgers "brings" the DC/NYC markets.

I think back then they also liked the idea of poaching schools without feeling like they destroyed a conference.

Rutgers was literally headed for CUSA or American or whatever you called it back then. They were about to be homeless. The ACC barely missed Maryland and wouldn't have missed GA Tech at the same time.

Now with UCLA/USC gutting the Pac and OU/Texas gutting Big 12...and this latest ACC rumor...the days of caring about being the conferences that blow it all up is totally over.

 

[Clark]

Yup. If the Big Ten or even the SEC wanted KU or say OSU, they would be gone already. I hope this is understood by the rest of the Big 12 to stop shopping around and accept we are the unwanted teams by the Power 2 but we can easily be the #3 conference. We have UT and OU by the balls to pay through their teeth for leaving but that is only if the conference stays together. Go get the best of the Pac and ACC leftovers and we have an awesome conference that will still make more money than the schools know to do with it.

do you? It sure seems like they're actually going to wait out the Big 12 GOR which would mean the Big 12 gets nothing when they leave, just like the Pac 12 will get nothing when USC/UCLA leave.

 

[canker2323]

I remember in the really old early days of realignment Georgia Tech was always mentioned as a Big Ten add for some reason. I really know very little about them. In terms of recent athletic success and geographic fit Louisville is better. I have no idea how much of the growing large population of Georgia that GTech actually gets. I imagine their % is similar to ISU in Iowa but have to add in all the pro sports that takes it down quite a bit.

Georgia Tech is a great academic school (better than UGA, not quite as elite as Emory). Not sure if people in Georgia care if Tech plays in a "Power" football conference. Georgia/Atlanta is all Dogs (and other SEC teams).

 

[WhoISthis]

Yeah GT was considered a priority during the first realignment rounds but with the changes to linear cable they are no longer on the short list. The fact that they have become completely irrelevant in athletics doesn’t help either.

And judging by moves in the west, “bridge” additions appear to be more popular on message boards than actual short lists.

Getting a VA school, UNC, (Duke?) GT, FSU is 12 years old. At least on the GT part

 

[iowastatefan1929]

ASU, Arizona and Colorado message boards basically on board.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Let me introduce you to the Big 10 Academic Alliance. They’re in charge of like 20% of all PhDs annually in the US. Plus share $10Billion in research annually.

Any university administrator would kill to be included in this.

You go to SEC for athletic reasons with a side of academic, you go to Big10 for Academic reasons with a side of athletics.

ESPN and Fox I’m assuming don’t give a **** about this though?