Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Houston's two periods of dominance in basketball put them on par with majority of Big 12 schools if not above.

If Phi Slamma Jamma happened at ISU it would still be all we ever talked about. Any fan of modern basketball (pro or college) owes some of their fandom to those teams. Those teams gave birth to above the rim basketball.

vs UCF basketball is a legit gripe...but you're adding three good ones along with the one that has zero history
All true and all moot. We're not trying to get paid like the Big East.
 

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4 pods of 4. Looking back 1 year ago. 100/100 would say this is a home run.

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It's been gone over a lot that the entire mountain time zone is devoid of people...but those 5 schools are the exact population centers of the time zone and the states/metros that are growing fastest in the US. BYU having some true national following is a nice bonus. I would guess that 80-90% of the mountain time zone lives within 25 miles of those campuses.

UCF is a fun wildcard. Houston will be at least as good as the other three texas schools. Cincy is like a clone of WVU in some ways but in a better recruiting footprint.
 
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All true and all moot. We're not trying to get paid like the Big East.

Somebody suggested playing Houston in basketball sucks.

I'm not arguing basketball is driving this...just that if playing Houston sucks we might as well stop hoops program unless our entire schedule is KU, Kentucky, Duke, UCLA, UNC etc...
 

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Somebody suggested playing Houston in basketball sucks.

I'm not arguing basketball is driving this...just that if playing Houston sucks we might as well stop hoops program unless our entire schedule is KU, Kentucky, Duke, UCLA, UNC etc...
I said you were right, dude! You can't front on Clyde the Glide...
 

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Canzano somewhat mildly refutes Dodd's reporting. A Pac source at one of the four corner schools says no meetings are on the books with the Big 12. Maybe this is all a technicality over how we're defining "meetings" but it reads like a full denial that this is as far along as Dodd reports.

Interesting in that the PAC 10 wants to complete some sort of media deal early with the implication that they are going to work a number of Big 12 teams into the contract on the chance that the $'s will be more than what they would get in the Big 12 media re-do. The thing is...the Big 12 per team average number eyeballs both attending and watching is significantly more than the Pac 10...the dude from Oregon would have to throw a whole lot of Benjamins at the Big 12 teams to get them to flip.
 

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I said you were right, dude! You can't front on Clyde the Glide...

Yeah, I think a lot of posters like talking about basketball...and others will jump in that basketball isn't driving it. I think most here are knowledgable enough to know that football drives it all but still like talking about the implications.

I do think the basketball road trip to UCF is by far the weirdest thing of any of this new Big 12. The rest of it all fits like a glove (especially 5 mountain schools) compared to our worst case scenarios. Playing @UCF in football every fourth year as a conference game is pretty cool and easily worth the risk for their upside.

The Phi Slamma Jamma ESPN documentary is up on Disney+, maybe one of my favorites.
 

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Dennis Dodd is doing everything he can to act like the PAC 12 is stronger than the Big 12. He is trying to write the narrative and failing.

It’s also hilarious that they are beginning media discussions.
He doesn’t bother to share actual payouts for 2021. Again, an agenda by saying there is little difference in the money….that’s before USC and ULCA leave.
 
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Oregon and Washington can eventually negotiate a reduced share over the course of 10-15 years for entry into the B1G. They don't need to panic the same way that the rest of the remaining PAC schools do. Even a reduced share as members of the B1G would likely be more than they earn now from media rights.
If UO and UW go to the BIG for reduced shared, it opens a door. How long before certain existing members are asked to take a reduced share? OSU, USC, UM will want more money to compete with the deeper top of the SEC.
 
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I could do either just fine and like the idea of 3 pods where you play everyone in your pod once for football and half of the other two pods each year. From a current recruiting perspective with Matt Campbell, playing Cincinnati every year plays more into his wheelhouse if that even matters anymore.
 
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If UO and UW go to the BIG for reduced shared, it opens a door. How long before existing members are asked to take a reduced share?

I'm not sure I believe the rumors about "Oregon and WU don't pay for their share". If that's true only Notre Dame and maaaaaaaaaaaybe Clemson still pay for their share.

I mean that'd be fantastic that SEC/Big Ten expansion is now permanently over for all time other than 1 or 2 schools...but I think it's total BS.

It also highlights the fact that if Oregon can't pay for itself...imagine the gigantic gobs of cash that reforming without Indiana, Purdue, NW, Vandy, Miss St, Kentucky, etc would do.
 

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For Tier 1 rights. Yes, football is all that matters. Tier 2 and Tier 3 LOVE basketballs ability to lock in conference fans to a streaming package.

You'd be stunned how many people would keep their subscription to a Big 12 streaming deal in the off-season if they could casually stream non-revenue sports. $10/month times millions of conference fans matters at the lower tiers.

That tier 2 and tier 3 income is how we separate from the ACC as the #3 conference in the NCAA and how we lock in a CFP spot.
Tier one is where the lions share of the money is at.
 
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If UO and UW go to the BIG for reduced shared, it opens a door. How long before certain existing members are asked to take a reduced share? OSU, USC, UM will want more money to compete with the deeper top of the SEC.
Those three schools already have more money then almost the entire SEC combined outside of Vanderbilt. They will also be getting more media dollars then the SEC by a decent margin. Maryland and Rutgers also came in with a reduced share but are now up to a full share. Sure some schools can get kicked out but it’s unlikely because then one of those blue bloods with be the lower tier school in that set up. No need to kick people out.
 

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Yeah, I think a lot of posters like talking about basketball...and others will jump in that basketball isn't driving it. I think most here are knowledgable enough to know that football drives it all but still like talking about the implications.

I do think the basketball road trip to UCF is by far the weirdest thing of any of this new Big 12. The rest of it all fits like a glove (especially 5 mountain schools) compared to our worst case scenarios. Playing @UCF in football every fourth year as a conference game is pretty cool and easily worth the risk for their upside.

The Phi Slamma Jamma ESPN documentary is up on Disney+, maybe one of my favorites.
I am sure a January basketball road trip to Ames isn’t exactly a dream come true for UCF either
 

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Tier one is where the lions share of the money is at.

In the last TV deal. Yes. Tier 2 and 3 will be growing as a percentage with tech/streaming coming online. Football will always be king. We aren't in the Top 2 leagues tier. But leveraging by far the #1 basketball conference in our next TV package is going to happen.

We are in the content age. Streamers want active users who will keep their subscription going. @ChrisMWilliams has written, tweeted, and podcasted about this point extensively
 
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I'm stoked for all this. Clones MBB vs Houston on a Tuesday in February will be banging.

College sports in general keep getting better. UCLA vs NW football is another must see event.

What about water polo and beach volleyball? Does UCLA drop those programs? What does that do Title IX wise? Why would what's left of the PAC12 let them participate?
They will just play those as affiliates of another conference or create one with former Pac members.
 

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Duh!
If this is truly about money, what’s stopping the Big 10 from saying “sorry Rutgers and Maryland, it’s not working out and Oregon/Washington make us more money.” Instead of constantly expanding the pie, it would actually make more sense to trim the fat at some point than to say “Oregon doesn’t raise our average we don’t want them.”

Fwiw, ISU and KU probably make more sense ratings wise and geographically than a couple Big 10 schools but none of that matters as much anymore and it’s not happening for us.
Attendance is worthless and viewership has a limit to its value. It’s seems to more about marketability of the league and matchups to advertisers. If you thought the pimping of the SEC and BiG were bad before….
 

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Tier one is where the lions share of the money is at.
You are right...for now. But what happens if the streaming giants try to get into the best BBall league in the country? They could make a splash and that could be huge. But the Tier 1 for now and for what we know is definitely the driving force
 
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