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Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

cykadelic2 said:
LOL at the “B10 got it right” hot take. Fox got it right with their sublicense deals with NBC and CBS to offset what they pay to the B10 as 100% rights holder.

But you are correct that the NFL does things right with multiple rights holders all having access to premium brands and post season access unlike FBS FB who leaves billions on the table under the current setup to ESPN’s and Fox’s benefit with their obvious goal of additional brand consolidation to kneecap 25-30 B12/ACC football programs.

And your point about the NCAA MBB tournament is why the NCAA needs to outsource their media rights negotiations to optimize revenues. And CBS/Turner aren’t dictating realignment and destroying conferences like what ESPN and Fox have done with CFB.
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What's wrong with FOX sub licensing inventory? They aren't ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports. In fact, until they launched FOX ONE a year ago FOX was the last large media company to have their own diversified streaming platform (BTN+ doesn't count).

So how does FOX maximize it's Big 10 equity? Unless FOX was going to show games at noon, 3:00 & 7:00 (which they have never done), sell the game inventory to CBS & NBC. CBS was in dire straights because ESPN outbid them for Sat afternoon SEC OTA game. And NBC wanted to enhance their Notre Dame media investment by going back-to-back with a Big 10 game.

Everything that is happening is result of open negotiations by willing partners. In other words, both conferences and media companies have their own consultants/in-house experts and lawyers to arrive at contract language and financial terms.

Do you have any corporate business experience?
 
isucy86 said:
What's wrong with FOX sub licensing inventory? They aren't ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports. In fact, until they launched FOX ONE a year ago FOX was the last large media company to have their own diversified streaming platform (BTN+ doesn't count).

So how does FOX maximize it's Big 10 equity? Unless FOX was going to show games at noon, 3:00 & 7:00 (which they have never done), sell the game inventory to CBS & NBC. CBS was in dire straights because ESPN outbid them for Sat afternoon SEC OTA game. And NBC wanted to enhance their Notre Dame media investment by going back-to-back with a Big 10 game.

Everything that is happening is result of open negotiations by willing partners. In other words, both conferences and media companies have their own consultants/in-house experts and lawyers to arrive at contract language and financial terms.

Do you have any corporate business experience?
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Yeah, I have got plenty of prior corporate business experience and the sublicensing done with B10 rights (to Fox’s benefit), CFP rights (to ESPN’s benefit) and B12’s rights (to ESPN’s benefit) doesn’t happen with the NFL who pool all of their rights, don’t have sublicensing of rights, and don’t leave billions on the table like CFB does where the leverage clearly resides with the networks and that obviously needs to change.

You continue to suggest the CFB status quo is okay and doesn’t need a complete overhaul and it obviously does so the more relevant question is do you have any corporate business experience?
 
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cykadelic2 said:
Yeah, I have got plenty of prior corporate business experience and the sublicensing done with B10 rights (to Fox’s benefit), CFP rights (to ESPN’s benefit) and B12’s rights (to ESPN’s benefit) doesn’t happen with the NFL who pool all of their rights, don’t have sublicensing of rights, and don’t leave billions on the table like CFB does where the leverage clearly resides with the networks and that obviously needs to change.

You continue to suggest the CFB status quo is okay and doesn’t need a complete overhaul and it obviously does so the more relevant question is do you have any corporate business experience?
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30+ years in Finance/Operations. So I understand the reality of business environment, not a pipe-dream of what I hope it were. Also intimate with B2B negotiations and contracts.

I'd love if college sport revenue were equally shared & regional focus for contests. Bring back "conference games" against schools like Mizzou & Nebraska for Iowa State!

What your pushing is a fantasy, it's not going to happen because the money is too big. And people/entities that have a competitive advantage will do everything to keep it.

You are putting your hopes in a political solution. And you'll be VERY disappointed because any legislation will be a litany of compromises to get passed.

In the end, the legislation will provide guardrails governing the school/athlete relationship. But no restriction on Big10/SEC further expansion. And pooling will be voluntary.

Is that a winning solution for you or status quo? IMO if legislation is passed, it will be status quo after a lot of wasted energy, time & money. But I'm sure Cruz, Cantwell, Campbell will be patting each other on the back.
 
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isucy86 said:
30+ years in Finance/Operations. So I understand the reality of business environment, not a pipe-dream of what I hope it were. Also intimate with B2B negotiations and contracts.

I'd love if college sport revenue were equally shared & regional focus for contests. Bring back "conference games" against schools like Mizzou & Nebraska for Iowa State!

What your pushing is a fantasy, it's not going to happen because the money is too big. And people/entities that have a competitive advantage will do everything to keep it.

You are putting your hopes in a political solution. And you'll be VERY disappointed because any legislation will be a litany of compromises to get passed.

In the end, the legislation will provide guardrails governing the school/athlete relationship. But no restriction on Big10/SEC further expansion. And pooling will be voluntary.

Is that a winning solution for you or status quo? IMO if legislation is passed, it will be status quo after a lot of wasted energy, time & money. But I'm sure Cruz, Cantwell, Campbell will be patting each other on the back.
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This, pooling is just flat out not going to happen. It sounds great and all but wont happen.
 
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CyCrazy said:
This, pooling is just flat out not going to happen. It sounds great and all but wont happen.
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The only way it happens is through an anti trust lawsuit, if Sankey and his Big 10 minions don’t get protection. Big 10, SEC, ESPN and Fox have really exposed themselves on several fronts. Their NIL contract, women’s athletics and realignment. If the next round of TV contracts further separates the P2 by a margin that is unacceptable, I can see an antitrust lawsuit not just from the Big 12 and ACC but the players Within the P2. It may not win, but the flip side (and biggest risk for P2) is a the courts may blow up the SEC and Big 10 too, which would be cool.
 
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Kinch said:
The only way it happens is through an anti trust lawsuit, if Sankey and his Big 10 minions don’t get protection. Big 10, SEC, ESPN and Fox have really exposed themselves on several fronts. Their NIL contract, women’s athletics and realignment. If the next round of TV contracts further separates the P2 by a margin that is unacceptable, I can see an antitrust lawsuit not just from the Big 12 and ACC but the players Within the P2. It may not win, but the flip side (and biggest risk for P2) is a the courts may blow up the SEC and Big 10 too, which would be cool.
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Agree Big 10 and SEC do not want this to get to the courts.. We saw what happened to the NCAA when they thought they would win against athletes. You do not want it left up to the courts and you want some sort of compromise
 
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Kinch said:
The only way it happens is through an anti trust lawsuit, if Sankey and his Big 10 minions don’t get protection. Big 10, SEC, ESPN and Fox have really exposed themselves on several fronts. Their NIL contract, women’s athletics and realignment. If the next round of TV contracts further separates the P2 by a margin that is unacceptable, I can see an antitrust lawsuit not just from the Big 12 and ACC but the players Within the P2. It may not win, but the flip side (and biggest risk for P2) is a the courts may blow up the SEC and Big 10 too, which would be cool.
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You are talking about many dominoes to fall in place for it to happen. Could it? Sure, will it? Doubtful college athletics don't move the needle enough in the wider public to actually get it done.
 
CyCrazy said:
You are talking about many dominoes to fall in place for it to happen. Could it? Sure, will it? Doubtful college athletics don't move the needle enough in the wider public to actually get it done.
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Agreed. I am doubtful too. It all depends on the next tv contracts AND whether there is someone in disneys legal team that points out all the way Disney has exposed themselves. If the University of Illinois sees it, my guess is it’s on Disneys radar screen.
 
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CyCrazy said:
You are talking about many dominoes to fall in place for it to happen. Could it? Sure, will it? Doubtful college athletics don't move the needle enough in the wider public to actually get it done.
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You said unequivocally it won't happen, and then you said it could happen but you're doubtful. Which is it?
 
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