Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

timinatoria

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Change in conferences doesn’t change their academic grant money one bit at all
It changes their access to all of the pooled resources and research. Michigan’s research dollars are $1.6 billion. Why would they risk that in any way for a few more million for an athletic department that is swimming in cash. If leaving the B1G Athletic Alliance jeopardized just 3% of that it’s $48M.

It’s not going to happen. It’s a fantasy for people who hate the B1G or who want something to scare the douchebag Iowa fans with.
 
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Not exactly sure.
It changes their access to all of the pooled resources and research. Michigan’s research dollars are $1.6 billion. Why would they risk that in any way for a few more million for an athletic department that is swimming in cash. If leaving the B1G Athletic Alliance jeopardized just 3% of that it’s $48M.

It’s not going to happen. It’s a fantasy for people who hate the B1G or who want something to scare the douchebag Iowa fans with.
We’ve had people on here who do research, they said the pooling is basically lip service. It doesn’t really do anything, and they share with ISU when it’s relevant also. So how would it change it?
 

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We’ve had people on here who do research, they said the pooling is basically lip service. It doesn’t really do anything, and they share with ISU when it’s relevant also. So how would it change it?
The big ten academic alliance is basically worthless. Most faculty I know and work with don't even know it exists, and this is at a big ten school. There is no pooling of research grant money.
 

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This podcast from the Athlon Sports guys is a must listen. Start at the 28:00 mark.


The TLDR version:
B1G is currently evaluating Oregon/WA/Stanford/Cal

If B1G passes, than we get those four + the corners.

If B1G takes them, we still get the corners.

He spoke pretty confidently that
1. There is no way/no how the PAC survives.

2. CBS may be willing to over pay for an expanded and rebranded Big 12 (they’re in danger of being shut out of the SEC/B1G).

He went on to surmise, after speaking with industry sources, that the new look Big 12 could be playing Thur/Fri/Sat after dark games.

He sounded pretty confident in all this, and that we’ll probably learn about the next expansion moves within about a month.
Respectfully, there are no must listens at this point. Sounds interesting though. How many grains of salt will I need?
 
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I don’t see a scenario where Pitt gets picked up by the P2. NC St and VA Tech will likely be left behind. Louisville is somewhat interesting, but there might a reason the Big XII passed on them before.
NCState and Va Tech are the only ones where I might be able to begrudgingly say ok. The rest is not good.
 

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Duh!
No, and they won’t ask. The academic money is worth billions. They aren’t going to jeopardize that in any way for an extra $10M-$20M for sports when they are already one it the very highest revenue athletic departments in the country.
Maybe you are right, but why couldn’t it be replicated in a new super conference, with TX, USC, ND, TA&M, etc. in a new league? They could eventually bring more than some existing existing B10 schools on the academic side.
 

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Best case scenario for ISU is obviously for the Big XII to be the #3 conference once the ACC gets stripped. Worst case would be to end up with the PAC and Big XII leftovers in the #4 conference.

The Big XII is in a good position now, it seems. Picking up a combination of schools from the PAC that keeps the per-team level with the current/projected means we’ll be roughly on par with the ACC through their current GOR. If that’s the case, I’m not sure how the ACC- manages to raid from the Big XII to backfill Clemson/ Miami /FSU and/or others going to the P2. It would seem to be a similar situation to where the PAC is today - unable to backfill with P5 schools because they’re behind the all the other power conferences.

I’m fine with adding OR/ WA/ Stanford in addition to others knowing that they may leave for the P2 at some point in the future so long as the others added that will almost certainly not be going still maintain the per-school value.

While adding 8+ PAC schools would almost ensure the Big XII would survive in some fashion even if the ACC/P2 raid it, I think it would establish it as the #4 conference now and a place for the ACC- to pick from when the time comes, if not sooner.
The ACC's not raiding anybody. They're in only a slightly better position than the PAC. The Big XII pays out more in TV revenue currently and will continue to into the future.

The Big XII is #3 in TV revenue right now. How is it you think it falls behind the ACC (#4) in the pecking order by adding PAC schools?

I'm confused by your reasoning there.
 

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We’ve had people on here who do research, they said the pooling is basically lip service. It doesn’t really do anything, and they share with ISU when it’s relevant also. So how would it change it?
Federal research grants that are granted to an institution are not shared between institutions. It is okay to pay researchers from other institutions for their work on a grant, but not okay to just give that money to other schools. B1G research consortium can share library services (access to scholarly articles), but money is not "shared". Federal grant dollars are highly audited and every line item must be accounted for when a grant is awarded to an institution. Further, grant dollars are not even shared within a university due to how detailed the audits are and there is no way it's shared between institutions as feds would not be okay with "pooling".
 

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So is it tomorrow our new commissioner takes over? It’s funny as hell that prick PAC commissioner blamed us when the big ten took your two top programs!! If the 4 corners don’t wise up they’ll forever be left in the dust. We’ve heard one leaked amount of 24.5-25 million, the new big 12 is more than likely staying where we are or closer to 50 million.
 

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Not exactly sure.
If you want to believe the Big Ten will eventually break up I won’t stop you.
You’re moving the posts. I rebutted your claim that it would affect their academic grants. I said (and several with better knowledge have chimed in and agreed) that that won’t make a difference in their decision. I never said the big ten would or wouldn’t break up.
 

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If you want to believe the Big Ten will eventually break up I won’t stop you.
I think a lot of us think more that it is a POSSIBILITY than a sure thing.

There seems to be a discrepancy here. There are people that say this type of thing will absolutely NEVER happen, and those people misrepresent those of us that say there is a CHANCE in the future teams could leave the B1G or SEC for one reason or another, as us saying it is a sure thing.

This is not what most of us are saying, what we are saying is this is one possible scenario, and that we are not ruling it out. Especially as things have shown when it comes to money, anything is possible.

But it seems there are some here that continue to believe some things are absolute, and in no way some things could ever happen. And by some of us saying things are possible we are just complete conspiracy theorists.

You can believe in absolutes, you can believe that things are never going to happen, or will absolutely happen. I believe there are more possibilities and that many options could happen in the future. I think 25 years ago many of us would never believe where things are today, and would say certain things that have happened would never happen. Most of us are probably not even thinking of the possibilities that will actually happen because today they seem so far fetched that they don't even make sense.

All I can say is I Never say Never.
 

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I think a lot of us think more that it is a POSSIBILITY than a sure thing.

There seems to be a discrepancy here. There are people that say this type of thing will absolutely NEVER happen, and those people misrepresent those of us that say there is a CHANCE in the future teams could leave the B1G or SEC for one reason or another, as us saying it is a sure thing.

This is not what most of us are saying, what we are saying is this is one possible scenario, and that we are not ruling it out. Especially as things have shown when it comes to money, anything is possible.

But it seems there are some here that continue to believe some things are absolute, and in no way some things could ever happen. And by some of us saying things are possible we are just complete conspiracy theorists.

You can believe in absolutes, you can believe that things are never going to happen, or will absolutely happen. I believe there are more possibilities and that many options could happen in the future. I think 25 years ago many of us would never believe where things are today, and would say certain things that have happened would never happen. Most of us are probably not even thinking of the possibilities that will actually happen because today they seem so far fetched that they don't even make sense.

All I can say is I Never say Never.

Iowa State could win the national championship this year too.
 

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No, and they won’t ask. The academic money is worth billions. They aren’t going to jeopardize that in any way for an extra $10M-$20M for sports when they are already one it the very highest revenue athletic departments in the country.
Big 10 and conference affiliation has zero to do with research money. If you actually read that Bog 10 alliance site and their report, they essentially save schools a few hundred thousands in things like software licenses. I know CW keeps mentioning research dollars and conference affiliation, but as someone who has been on both sides of the research coin, conferences mean absolutely zero.

The Big 10 Alliance quotes some crazy $ amount of research. That’s simply the sum of sponsored research that the schools get.

This is simply a sports, and almost exclusively a football value decision. Big 10 can worry about academics, as they like to maintain their position as academically superior power conference once PAC dies. At this point only ND actually adds value, but the difference among the other choices is immaterial on the basis of per team revenue. So even if, say an Oklahoma St is more valuable than Cal in terms of football media value. By the time you divide that additional value out over all the teams, it’s a small impact. Might as well have another dance partner for the other west coast schools and beef up your academic rep as a conference.
 

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You’re moving the posts. I rebutted your claim that it would affect their academic grants. I said (and several with better knowledge have chimed in and agreed) that that won’t make a difference in their decision. I never said the big ten would or wouldn’t break up.
I doubt it would effect their grants by much if at all I’ll give you that. Are there any benefits to being in the BTAA that you think they might not want to walk away from?

I’ll stand by this statement. No one is leaving the Big Ten and the BTAA is an important reason why.
 
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The top brands will never go together (Texas, Alabama, Ohio State, etc) even if the money is unimaginable because

A) The TV rights will NEVER expire at the same time. Networks arent that dumb.

B) The top brands need Vandy, NW, etc to make sure they get some wins. SOMEBODY has to go 3-9 and the top brands don’t want that to be them.
 

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Ok. Are we expecting an announcement tomorrow, 1 Aug, related to new Big 12 members? What if this drags out with no schools from the Pac 12 moving to the Big 12? We may look a little weak.
 

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