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Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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We share basketball. There is a huge reason Fox is against pooling. Monopolies have a higher margin. They make their money on the economies of scale and becoming vertically integrated within their industry. Fox knows this. If there is competition for the Big 10 dollar then, they lose the economies of scale and have to share more of it with the Big 10.
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This isn’t true, schools aren’t allowed to pay direct NIL, they can only pay the rev share. They can set up depts to help with NIL but the money isn’t coming from the school
First I don't think PCSA will be passed. Second, if passed it won't have a meaningful impact on finances of college sport.
The clause about pooling Media Rights is VOLUNTARY. There is zero chance Big10 & SEC will join a single negotiation.
There is no way the PCSA can prevent further realignment. It would be contested in the courts immediately.
And like I've said, schools could preempt the PCSA by announcing today they are leaving their current conference and joining Big10 or SEC.
When USC, UCLA, Texas & OU announced their departures it came from nowhere. And in the cases of Texas & OU they announced they were leaving Big12 in July 2021 and continued competing in Big 12 through the the 2023/24 sport year. So with Big 10 current deal expiring in 2030, realignment could pick up again.
That is complete semantics and you know it being a Michigan fan.
The Athletic Departments at schools are setting up entities and/or working with 3rd parties to get around House. It's how schools/athletic departments are paying football players $40M or $50M. The athletic departments term it NIL, but it's pay for play.
I have no issue with real NIL. But it it should be sourced by a players agency and Athletic Departments and their schools boosters ZERO involvement.
But there is competition. It's just that FOX has found a way to earn two ways. FOX bought the Big10 rights and then turned around and sold inventory to CBS & NBC.
How is basketball shared? It's part of the FOX & ESPN deals with Big10, SEC, Big12, ACC.
But equal footing isn’t what drives the nfl’s revenue advantage.
We can talk about how it leads to parity, but it’s not the primary driver of the revenue disparity between the leagues
College football has never had parity, yet it is popular. To improve ratings and revenue, they’ll need to make the sport less regional and consolidate viewership like the NFL does. That’s what they’re doing.
So then your question isn’t worth answering because it’s a contradiction. The P2 aren’t leaving if it’s passed
And if it’s not passed, there’s no reason to worry about needing to share with G6
NCAA tourney. And what inventory did they sell? Fox still determines it. When you have a vote at the table and choose the inventory others have that is not competition. At some point Iowa taxpayers are going to wake up and see a $50 million state loan to the Iowa AD that is not getting paid off and then see how the Big 10 rights are “sold” and they will demand pooling.
Tournament/Playoff money and Conference Media Rights are two separate buckets of TV money.
And CFB Playoff money is shared, just like NCAA Hoops Tournament. In hoops each Tournament team earns their conference units based on how many games they win. In football each P4 conference gets a different set amount and G5 also gets a lump sum. Plus the 12 playoff teams earn their conference monies based on how many games they win.
I understand how each is paid out. However the point is that the amount that CBS pays for a three weekend tourney is close to what the Big 10 gets for five months of football. I am not interested in getting the same as the Big 10. But I am interested in growing the pie. I am not arguing this from the standpoint of an Iowa State fan, but an Iowa taxpayer who saw Gary Barta take $50 million from me and then tell me the amount the Big 10 is giving him is not enough to pay me back. That only means Fox is ripping off the Big 10 and sending me the bill.
The P2 will do what their going to do from a member/business standpoint whether legislation is passed or not.
- The Big10/SEC will continue to add schools that bring value to their Media Rights packages. Continuing a 15 year consolidation of brands to solidify marketshare.
- The pooling language in the legislation indicates it's optional. So if pooling doesn't maximize Big10/SEC school revenue, it ain't happening.
- The Big 10/SEC will adopt the legislation that benefits them (aka transfer rules).
FOX isn't ripping the Big 10 off. It's in bed with the Big 10 so their interests are a win/win.
NBC & CBS are combined paying $700M to Big 10 to broadcast contests. FOX is paying around $350M. So by selling off inventory to NBC & CBS, FOX (and Big 10) went to the open market to get bids on the Big 10's 2:30 & 7:00 inventory.
You can be pi$$ed about the $50M loan, but that's not on FOX. It's on the State of Iowa if it chooses not to collect.
it’s not semantics because the money isn’t coming from Michigan. That’s the point. Yep they are working with collectives and 3rd parties and the AD is helping facilitate that process for a lot of reasons but the dollars aren’t coming from the institution except for the rev share amount everyone in the p4 is paying
LOL, the B10/SEC media consultants aren't telling them to go it alone, ESPN and Fox are.
Full FBS pooling (including two playoffs) with 10% going to G5, 65% shared equally amongst P4/P7 and 25% shared unequally based on TV ratings would result in every FBS school at least doubling their revenues and B10/SEC continuing to maintain significant revenue advantages. Only losers are ESPN and Fox.
Without full FBS pooling, there is no effin way the B10 and SEC will double their revenues if both maintain their 100% ties to Fox and ESPN and CFP rights will continue to be the most undervalued sports property on earth.
Unfortunately, the primary obstacle to near-term full FBS pooling is the disjointed timing of the media contracts which is why Cruz-Cantwell has optional pooling language. And that is even more reason why B12/SEC opposition to Cruz-Cantwell is absolutely absurd and only serving the interests of ESPN and Fox.
Based on the market, it certainly is ripping off the big 10 and Iowa taxpayers.
What market? CBS & NBC paid what the market dictated. If CBS & NBC weren't coming up with max value for the 2:30 & 7:00 games, then we would have seen TNT, CW, etc. win the bid process.
Call your rep or state auditor if your that bent over the $50M. Has nothing to do with FOX/Big10 media deal which is most lucrative in college sports.
Nobody cares about $50M out of a nearly $10B state budget. Hell, I'll bet 99+% of the residents of the state don't even know that 'loan' exists. It was never going to be paid back, in fact, JP was a damn fool for not lining up to get his piece when it happened.
there is no market for CFP. There is no market for Big 10 and SEC. It may seem lucrative but, You can easily tell it’s a ripoff by comparing the unit revenue per unit rating of NFL vs college football. NFL gets 50 percent more revenue per unit rating than college football. NBA doesn’t have the ratings that college football has but gets twice the revenue. The state of Iowa is missing out on at least $50 million per year because of the stupidity of the big 10 and Sec commissioners. You sound like you support the Big 10 over the state of Iowa. I support state of Iowa.
JP couldnt. . That came through the U of I and University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics and came at the expense of the kids that Iowa Hawkeyes pretend to love at the end of the first quarter. Pretty despicable isn’t it?
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