Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Think outside the box.

If Iowa State isn't part of a P2- then Cook, Pollard and all other university presidents and athletic directors outside the P2 have to reset their college sport model.

So if university leadership projects revenues for a typical school among Big12/ACC/Pac12/Etc. will reasonably be only $75M annually, then the athletic department structure will need to reflect the money available. Would that mean the following topics are on the table? Yes
  • Fewer Olympic Sports
  • Sport Specific Spending Caps (impacting coach salaries, facilities, travel costs, etc)
  • Right-size Athletics Department salaries & staffing levels.
  • Does the House Settlement still apply with a P2 & Others structure?
  • If there is a P2, how does that impact Mens & Womens basketball?
So basically every school not in the break away group is going to divest away from football, and doing so, they will need less money for other sports programs? Right sized athletic programs means what and who decides that? You are taking away the major money maker for a university that is supporting the rest of the sports outside of MBB and that is going to turn out ok.

Follow your advise and you have now made every school not in the breakaway group a minor league for the other group. Coaches will start here and then move up for more money, same with players, and it will carry over to the other sports, because the lack of football revenue will mean making due with less in other sports as well.
 
Media discourse has SEC and B1G leaders saying maybe they should breakaway to be with peers who have similar (ahem, better) values.

It’s gonna be sickening if they do break away to consolidate AND have the moral high ground in the court of public opinion.
Please break away. Go ahead and destroy the very system that made you obscenely wealthy. Do it. Do it!
 
Media discourse has SEC and B1G leaders saying maybe they should breakaway to be with peers who have similar (ahem, better) values.

It’s gonna be sickening if they do break away to consolidate AND have the moral high ground in the court of public opinion.
Yeah, bunch of hypocrites - Penn State & Michigan come to mind.
 
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Media discourse has SEC and B1G leaders saying maybe they should breakaway to be with peers who have similar (ahem, better) values.

It’s gonna be sickening if they do break away to consolidate AND have the moral high ground in the court of public opinion.
Yeah this is perfect cover for them to break away. I don’t want that to happen and didn’t think it would but depending on how the Big12 handles this mess the possibility is now more real then ever.

Still have the same issues but they will just say that this wouldn’t stand if they did things (while 100% being willing to do a whole lot of shady things)

They will just push back and say they at least suspended Harbaugh, Tressel, etc
 
Yeah this is perfect cover for them to break away. I don’t want that to happen and didn’t think it would but depending on how the Big12 handles this mess the possibility is now more real then ever.

Still have the same issues but they will just say that this wouldn’t stand if they did things (while 100% being willing to do a whole lot of shady things)

They will just push back and say they at least suspended Harbaugh, Tressel, etc
$5 million fine and loss of 10 scholarships.
 
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Yeah this is perfect cover for them to break away. I don’t want that to happen and didn’t think it would but depending on how the Big12 handles this mess the possibility is now more real then ever.

Still have the same issues but they will just say that this wouldn’t stand if they did things (while 100% being willing to do a whole lot of shady things)

They will just push back and say they at least suspended Harbaugh, Tressel, etc

If the P2 view a court ruling as separation worthy, the M2 should let them do it now. In all sports.
 
So basically every school not in the break away group is going to divest away from football, and doing so, they will need less money for other sports programs? Right sized athletic programs means what and who decides that? You are taking away the major money maker for a university that is supporting the rest of the sports outside of MBB and that is going to turn out ok.

Follow your advise and you have now made every school not in the breakaway group a minor league for the other group. Coaches will start here and then move up for more money, same with players, and it will carry over to the other sports, because the lack of football revenue will mean making due with less in other sports as well.

Who said divest away from football? Not me
You're the guy saying the sky is falling and we'll be nothing more than UNI. Even though we'll be playing with mostly the same players, have access to great coaches, have historical fan support of 60k people at Jack Trice and playing teams like: K-State, Okie State, Arizona, Colorado, TCU, Louisville, etc.

I'm not pushing ISU drops out of competing at the CFP level, but we may not have a choice depending on where college football is headed. Do you know with 100 percent certainty? I don't.

I see basically three general paths forward:
  • Cruz & Cantwell get their legislation passed and Big10/SEC agree to negotiate a single CFB media rights deal. Hopefully, that means a financial windfall for schools like Iowa State.
  • Status quo. The P4 remains and each conference negotiates their own TV deal. We continue to see a wide disparity of what schools pay from among their combined House Settle Fund and in-house NIL funds. That means schools like Iowa State are paying it's football players around $13-15M annually and some teams in the Big10/SEC are paying it's football players north of $50M annually. Basically the MLB salary structure where Iowa State will be the Twins, Royals, Rays, Athletics, etc. And schools like Ohio State, Texas Michigan, A&M will be the Yankees/Dodgers.
  • Big10/SEC breakaway. When Big10/SEC media rights come up for renewal (or it makes sense for their media partners) those 2 conferences continue to add attractive schools from Big12 & ACC. This would probably mean the Big12/ACC combine at some point and would likely have a negative impact on the Big12/ACC media rights deal. But it won't be a total implosion because we're talking schools like Iowa State, K-State, BYU, Va Tech, Louisville, Syracuse, etc.
If Pollard, Cook and other Big12/ACC leadership aren't considering what the last scenario entails, they wouldn't be doing their job. Heck, it's Jamie who said maybe the Big12/ACC should walk. I'd like to hope at worst, the status quo continues. And money isn't everything and Iowa State can be like the Tampa Rays with a low payroll and solid results on the field.

But the question would be: if ISU made the CFP, would we be competitive. Because I have concerns what happened to our roster last fall, will happen to a lesser degree every off-season because ISU has $15M to spend on players and there will be 20+ schools willing to spend $50M+. As Rogers develops players like: McDonald, Purdy, Kolar, Jontez Williams, Noel, Braymer, etc., at rthe first sign of their elite talent, they will jump ship for the big money.
 
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Who said divest away from football? Not me
You have a money tree?

If ISU isn’t in top level, the revenues will go down. If the Big 12 is once again marginalized, revenue will go down

They may anyway depending on looming new tv deal

Unless the State is going to offset the lost revenue, Iowa St will be divesting the AD

To what level is the only question

The answer is likely to be at a level similar to G5 schools that didn’t have state subsidies

Money isn’t everything, but expectations should be commensurate with the money
 
Big ten isn’t an individual but the individual people who are billionaires that make up some of the alumni are. You don’t become a billionaire by not taking advantage of a whole lot of people on your way to the top
Why is this Socialist/Communist talking points allowed to stay in this thread, take it to the cave. This is almost verbatim out of the mouth of a prominent Socialist. :puke: :puke:
 
You have a money tree?

If ISU isn’t in top level, the revenues will go down. If the Big 12 is once again marginalized, revenue will go down

They may anyway depending on looming new tv deal

Unless the State is going to offset the lost revenue, Iowa St will be divesting the AD

To what level is the only question

The answer is likely to be at a level similar to G5 schools that didn’t have state subsidies

Money isn’t everything, but expectations should be commensurate with the money
Define the word divest. To me that means sell-off, eliminate. Versus the term I used in a previous post "right-size" our AD budget

I agree there won't be the same revenue, but is that 90% of current levels or 75% or 50%.

I disagree revenue will fall off to G5 levels. The new TV deal will surely include pretty much all current Big12 teams. And if the ACC implodes by 2030, those teams below the top handful.

I can't see Big12 media rights going from the current $40M annually to $10M (G5). Especially if Yormark is able to negotiate basketball separately and Big12 continues to be a top hoops conference. Also, the hoops NCAA Tournament media rights goes out to bid around 2031. IMO CBS is going to need to up it's bid significantly to keep MARCH madness.
 
Define the word divest. To me that means sell-off, eliminate. Versus the term I used in a previous post "right-size" our AD budget

I agree there won't be the same revenue, but is that 90% of current levels or 75% or 50%.

I disagree revenue will fall off to G5 levels. The new TV deal will surely include pretty much all current Big12 teams. And if the ACC implodes by 2030, those teams below the top handful.

I can't see Big12 media rights going from the current $40M annually to $10M. Especially if Yormark is able to negotiate basketball separately and Big12 continues to be a top hoops conference. Also, the hoops NCAA Tournament media rights goes out to bid around 2031. IMO CBS is going to need to up it's bid significantly to keep MARCH madness.
Problem is that if the P2 separate there is no way the playoff doesn’t get tied to that. This is exactly why I don’t want this to happen as it will put a whole bunch of teams in permanent JV status and yeah in that world those media dollars do in fact vanish.

I get what you are saying and understand the desire but the reality would be almost all of ISU’s programs would be non competitive and many sports would cease to exist
 
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Define the word divest. To me that means sell-off, eliminate. Versus the term I used in a previous post "right-size" our AD budget

I agree there won't be the same revenue, but is that 90% of current levels or 75% or 50%.

I disagree revenue will fall off to G5 levels. The new TV deal will surely include pretty much all current Big12 teams. And if the ACC implodes by 2030, those teams below the top handful.

I can't see Big12 media rights going from the current $40M annually to $10M (G5). Especially if Yormark is able to negotiate basketball separately and Big12 continues to be a top hoops conference. Also, the hoops NCAA Tournament media rights goes out to bid around 2031. IMO CBS is going to need to up its bid significantly to keep MARCH madness.
we would hemorrhage revenue and hence need to gut the AD

Eventually elimination of football as anything but UNI level would be on the table, if we want to persevere MBB

The TV deal would go down by over 50% in the scenario being discussed- the Big 12 no longer competing at highest level.

Maybe more if that likely occurs with losing some schools because P2 expands, resulting in networks not needing inventory from further weakened Big 12

Spinning off basketball tv deal won’t matter for several reasons. First, we lack top basketball tv brands. And if the ones we do have actually add enough value for basketball deal to materially appreciate, it means they are actually P2 targets. This is even more true when CBB tournament revenue distribution changes

Which is happening. It was lined up to expire at same time as CFP and all other postseason deals. The P2 are going to get a majority of base pay, they’ll add bluebloods to do it

Big 12 basketball is going to be damaged the most from football being 2nd tier. There isn’t a 2nd tier football conference that has basketball at P4 level. Good luck getting a buyer for basketball deal that is willing to pay premium for basketball in these uncertain times
 
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Problem is that if the P2 separate there is no way the playoff doesn’t get tied to that. This is exactly why I don’t want this to happen as it will put a whole bunch of teams in permanent JV status and yeah in that world those media dollars do in fact vanish.

I get what you are saying and understand the desire but the reality would be almost all of ISU’s programs would be non competitive and many sports would cease to exist
The thing is, splitting will never be more difficult for P2 schools than now. If they’re willing to leave now, it’s just a matter of time of death anyway

Currently it’s an asymmetrical collision, but attritional. A semi vs SUV

If in this cycle, M2 schools that don’t get a life boat won’t survive as we know them, but that doesn’t mean stakeholders on the other side want the costs


Further capitulation over next cycle, like what occurred with CFP, and it’s a train vs car. You don’t blame the train at that point.

That’s the essence of JP’s comments, which should have stayed behind closed doors
 

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