Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[isucy86]

But at some point, adding new schools does not bring in the revenue that allows the pie to keep growing. ND would be a money maker, who other than ND adds enough revenue to either the B10 or SEC that insures the schools in the conference do not take a cut in what they are currently making? Is Clemson, Miami, FSU, Virginia or some other school bring in $75 yo $100 million per year on the TV deal?

If the B12 and ACC can't be competitive on the field and money wise, then what is the point of playing football? Would most not be better off scaling back their football teams and pushing all the money into basketball or some other sport? I can't speak for others, but if ISU is left out of this and the B10 and SEC break away, I am not going to pick a new team to follow in one of those leagues, just like many others won't.
the idea that by breaking away with 40 teams is going to cause everyone across the country to become fans of these teams because it happens in the NFL is very short sighted and most likely will fail. The money for media revenue will drop as half the country is left out of the big boy league.

The finding fault with UNC, Clemson, Miami, FSU, etc. media valuation is logical if one looks at current ACC media rights per school. But what makes those 4 ACC schools any different than UCLA, Oregon & Washington? On face (Pac12 financials) they don't bring the Big10 $75-$100M annually.

But the Big 10 lives by the NFL playbook, add schools/fan bases in populous states/large media markets. And the SEC isn't going to standby.

Why should the Big12/ACC continue to play football? Because we've played football for 100 years!! The Big12/ACC can put a product on the field that is very competitive and their fans will enjoy. The Big12/ACC will just adhere to a more traditional model where athletes get an academic scholarship and can hire an agency to source NIL.

ISU and every other athletic department are not churning out money to their universities general fund. So why does it matter if revenues are $200M, $125M or $75M?

University of Chicago is still an elite university 75 years after leaving the Big 10. Villanova does well as a university with a FCS football team. And Creighton has flourished without a football team.

And I 100% agree that alumni of Big12/ACC schools aren't going to adopt new Big10/SEC teams just because they play at a higher level. There's always the NFL, Netflix, hiking or a good book if Big12 football doesn't fulfill your college football fix.

 

[HouClone]

This Sorsby ruling not helping the Cantwell-Cruz bill with NCAA enforcement vs collectively bargaining which SEC and Big 10 likely want. The latter can enforce themselves without a judge getting in the middle.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

This Sorsby ruling not helping the Cantwell-Cruz bill with NCAA enforcement vs collectively bargaining which SEC and Big 10 likely want. The latter can enforce themselves without a judge getting in the middle.

Yeah weird look for the man sponsor/donor of the bill to spit in the face of what he is claiming to save. He has the power to stop this but chooses not to because he just doesn’t care about anything else then TT being relevant

 

[1SEIACLONE]

The finding fault with UNC, Clemson, Miami, FSU, etc. media valuation is logical if one looks at current ACC media rights per school. But what makes those 4 ACC schools any different than UCLA, Oregon & Washington? On face (Pac12 financials) they don't bring the Big10 $75-$100M annually.

But the Big 10 lives by the NFL playbook, add schools/fan bases in populous states/large media markets. And the SEC isn't going to standby.

Why should the Big12/ACC continue to play football? Because we've played football for 100 years!! The Big12/ACC can put a product on the field that is very competitive and their fans will enjoy. The Big12/ACC will just adhere to a more traditional model where athletes get an academic scholarship and can hire an agency to source NIL.

ISU and every other athletic department are not churning out money to their universities general fund. So why does it matter if revenues are $200M, $125M or $75M?

University of Chicago is still an elite university 75 years after leaving the Big 10. Villanova does well as a university with a FCS football team. And Creighton has flourished without a football team.

And I 100% agree that alumni of Big12/ACC schools aren't going to adopt new Big10/SEC teams just because they play at a higher level. There's always the NFL, Netflix, hiking or a good book if Big12 football doesn't fulfill your college football fix.

It matters because as the gap between the B10/SEC teams and the ACC and B12 teams widen, it makes it more difficult for the teams in those leagues to stay relevant. Much like UNI and those teams struggle recruiting and getting fans against both ISU and EIU.
Now you can do away with football or down grade the level, but the University of Chicago made that discussion 80 years ago, it's a little different than today. Just how much capital has ISU and other B12 schools pumped into building up their football stadium in the past couple of decades, $100's of millions, at many schools, and now they are going to walk away from millions in media revenue and stay open?

How many Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego St, Cal or Stanford fans switched over to become a B10 fan because USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington changed leagues? None, comparing what the B10 did to the NFL is comparing apples to oranges. The state of Iowa, without a team, has fans that support the Vikings, Chiefs, Bears and other teams, that is not going to happen with college teams. Most are not going to switch from liking one to to another team unless they go to that university after cheering for someone else growing up.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

It matters because as the gap between the B10/SEC teams and the ACC and B12 teams widen, it makes it more difficult for the teams in those leagues to stay relevant. Much like UNI and those teams struggle recruiting and getting fans against both ISU and EIU.
Now you can do away with football or down grade the level, but the University of Chicago made that discussion 80 years ago, it's a little different than today. Just how much capital has ISU and other B12 schools pumped into building up their football stadium in the past couple of decades, $100's of millions, at many schools, and now they are going to walk away from millions in media revenue and stay open?

How many Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego St, Cal or Stanford fans switched over to become a B10 fan because USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington changed leagues? None, comparing what the B10 did to the NFL is comparing apples to oranges. The state of Iowa, without a team, has fans that support the Vikings, Chiefs, Bears and other teams, that is not going to happen with college teams. Most are not going to switch from liking one to to another team unless they go to that university after cheering for someone else growing up.

Totally agree with this, anyone that’s 25+ with ties to a school like WSU isn’t changing over to UW. If WSU stays irrelevant then they turn into a UNI type team where the fans of that school often also have a fandom for another school in the top division.

That will take years and years to happen though and you’re certainly not going to capture all of them, possibly not even a majority