Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Gonzo

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SDSU is denying this, but I believe there is some truth to this.

So with that, who are the best choices from the AAC and MTW, to go along with the PAC4 and make up a 12-16 member conference?

This actually seems like the best outcome for the PAC4.


I still don't get why the PAC, after losing USCLA, didn't immediately reach out to the ACC about some kind of a merger. The ACC is going to be exactly where the PAC was in a decade and would have had incentive to at least listen. A Pacific-Atlantic Coastal Conference (PACC) headlined by Oregon, Clemson, Washington, FSU, Miami, Stanford, UNC, etc. would have been a pretty formidable challenger for the #3 conference and probably would've garnered solid media interest.
 

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I still don't get why the PAC, after losing USCLA, didn't immediately reach out to the ACC about some kind of a merger. The ACC is going to be exactly where the PAC was in a decade and would have had incentive to at least listen. A Pacific-Atlantic Coastal Conference (PACC) headlined by Oregon, Clemson, Washington, FSU, Miami, Stanford, UNC, etc. would have been a pretty formidable challenger for the #3 conference and probably would've garnered solid media interest.
There were at least rumors that there were at least conversations. I dont know how serious it was looked at, but you are right it would have saved them both, probably.
 

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I have no doubt that if your big superconference one day happens that Iowa will be left out. I just don't think it's going to happen anytime soon, if ever.
I’d rather see Iowa make the superconference. They would get destroyed against that schedule. I’m guessing they would be looking at one or two conference wins out of say 10 games. You can’t understate how much a soft schedule has benefitted Iowa during KF’s tenure.
 

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Washington State
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
UNLV
Colorado State
Boise State
Fresno State
SMU
Tulane
Memphis
Rice
USF

Navy and Air Force as football affiliates
That's pretty good. Not sure USF is worth the travel costs, maybe Nevada or New Mexico instead?
 

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I’d rather see Iowa make the superconference. They would get destroyed against that schedule. I’m guessing they would be looking at one or two conference wins out of say 10 games. You can’t understate how much a soft schedule has benefitted Iowa during KF’s tenure.
Iowa may be looking at that in the near future anyway.
 
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I still don't get why the PAC, after losing USCLA, didn't immediately reach out to the ACC about some kind of a merger. The ACC is going to be exactly where the PAC was in a decade and would have had incentive to at least listen. A Pacific-Atlantic Coastal Conference (PACC) headlined by Oregon, Clemson, Washington, FSU, Miami, Stanford, UNC, etc. would have been a pretty formidable challenger for the #3 conference and probably would've garnered solid media interest.
A merger would have been tough last summer/fall as George K had Pac12 Presidents believing he was going to deliver them a media deal worth $40M per school annually.

The ACC media deal, which goes through 2036, only brings in $20M annually. George K would have laughed.
 

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That's pretty good. Not sure USF is worth the travel costs, maybe Nevada or New Mexico instead?
Yeah I would think Utah ST, San Jose St, Tulsa, may be looked at. I dont know if the military academies want anything to do with moving up, if this is a move up. ECU would be a decent add too, but again would be an outlier to the rest, beyond USF.
 

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A merger would have been tough last summer/fall as George K had Pac12 Presidents believing he was going to deliver them a media deal worth $40M per school annually.

The ACC media deal, which goes through 2036, only brings in $20M annually. George K would have laughed.
Yeah I guess nobody is going to accuse the guy of having good strategic insights or vision.
 

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A merger would have been tough last summer/fall as George K had Pac12 Presidents believing he was going to deliver them a media deal worth $40M per school annually.

The ACC media deal, which goes through 2036, only brings in $20M annually. George K would have laughed.

The thing about those merger votes...the teams that know they are heading Big Ten/SEC always oppose setting up security for the programs they are going to leave behind and potentially crush.
 
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I still don't get why the PAC, after losing USCLA, didn't immediately reach out to the ACC about some kind of a merger. The ACC is going to be exactly where the PAC was in a decade and would have had incentive to at least listen. A Pacific-Atlantic Coastal Conference (PACC) headlined by Oregon, Clemson, Washington, FSU, Miami, Stanford, UNC, etc. would have been a pretty formidable challenger for the #3 conference and probably would've garnered solid media interest.
Maybe they were still having PTSD from their last "Alliance"
 

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I sometimes struggle to understand the viewpoints of college football fans, given my strong allegiance to the ISU Cyclones. But let's entertain the idea of a college football "super league."

I personally wouldn't tune into such a league. Because it doesn't relate to the Cyclones, what I am passionate about in college sports. It's similar to my relationship with professional leagues. I rarely watch the NFL and never watch the NBA because they don't hold the allure of college sports for me. My interest lies in the Cyclones and whomever they might eventually encounter. Really, during a particular season, I am watching the teams they might play IF I watch any game outside of ISUs.

If my goal was simply to watch the most elite athletes face off against each other, shouldn't I just watch the NFL? Or if I were in the mood for something slightly less polished, maybe the XFL or other emerging professional leagues? What's the appeal of watching "elite" college teams that have no relevance to my own? Why would a resident of Colorado be interested in a Clemson vs. Ohio State matchup? Why would that matter to them, or even to you? This isn't meant to be confrontational — I'm genuinely curious about the logic behind it.

To me, college sports are more than a showcase of top-tier talent. They bring together competition and rivalries, the school vs. school battles, the pride of state against state. With the inception of a super league, I believe that these passionate elements would fade. Such a league would likely limit its audience to the specific institutions it encompasses. My suspicion, and I'm open to being proven wrong, is that this would actually diminish their overall viewership. By failing to cater to a broader audience and focusing only on elite teams, they'd miss out on the diverse markets that college football currently thrives on. I don't believe that a large portion of the existing college football audience would opt for direct subscriptions to a super league.

I'm open to hearing anyone's counterargument. If there's a financial model or logic that suggests such a league would be more profitable than the current system, I'd genuinely like to understand it. As it stands, from my viewpoint as a dedicated team fan, the concept seems flawed.
Great post- definitely not taking you to be confrontational. I agree with you- College football is regional and its greatness is found in the rivalries and histories of the game. Unfortunately, some of that is being lost as the emphasis continues to trend towards big money being placed on big programs getting paid.

I put a huge asterisk on my entire post to say, I have no idea what’ll happen- and I think it’s fair to say that nobody else knows what will happen with college football either. I’m basing my guess on a couple of premises:

1. Greed is an insurmountable force. The Texass-es of the world will do anything if there’s a possibility of more money involved. They would sell Bevo and his horned progeny if they thought it would pay well. Money drives them with little consideration for much else.
2. Most of the teams I listed as a super conference are big. In my zeal, I left off Norte Dame somehow… Many have 100,000 plus stadiums (or close to it) and have the highest numbers of television viewership every Saturday.
3. The gap between the weak and the strong will continue to grow- there will be little interest in watching Ohio State pound BIG ‘powerhouses’ like Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana every Saturday. This holds true for Alabama and Georgia- nobody wants to watch them whip Mizzou, Vandy, and South Carolina by 5 scores every Saturday.
4. Eventually, the big schools will realize that they can gain more of a national audience by playing each other every Saturday. Yes- I’m like you, if I watch only 1 game on Saturday, it’ll be an ISU game. However, if I’m going to watch a second or third game on a Saturday, I would probably watch a top matchup between two top teams before I’d tune in to a Wake Forest vs Syracuse matchup. I think because of that, the super conference would pickup more viewership for the big schools than they would have by pummeling weak members of their current conferences. Inspite of what we hear, eyeballs on games matter and schools like Iowa State, despite our loyal and frenetic fan-base, we simply don’t pack a national punch like the big schools do. That’s just the way it is.

There will always be a place for the current B12- it’s going to be a fun conference with lots of regional interest. However, the super conference will be national and will attempt to bring all of us other fans in for our other games that we watch during the weekend. I think that’s where the difference will be. Will an Alabama fan watch an Iowa State-Oklahoma State game if Bama isn’t playing- probably not. Will we come home after an 11:00 game at the Jack and watch a prime time match up between Bama and Ohio State- I think a lot of fans would.

Again, I don’t know what will happen, but I think the powers that be believe there’s still more money to be made off the top brands…it’s just a matter of time before Texas gets them all together to do it. In light of everything we’ve seen so far, I don’t know how this doesn’t happen eventually.

I’d love to hear your thoughts and counters.
 
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Great post- definitely not taking you to be confrontational. I agree with you- College football is regional and its greatness is found in the rivalries and histories of the game. Unfortunately, some of that is being lost as the emphasis continues to trend towards big money being placed on big programs getting paid.

I put a huge asterisk on my entire post to say, I have no idea what’ll happen- and I think it’s fair to say that nobody else knows what will happen with college football either. I’m basing my guess on a couple of premises:

1. Greed is an insurmountable force. The Texass-es of the world will do anything if there’s a possibility of more money involved. They would sell Bevo and his horned progeny if they thought it would pay well. Money drives them with little consideration for much else.
2. Most of the teams I listed as a super conference are big. In my zeal, I left off Norte Dame somehow… Many have 100,000 plus stadiums (or close to it) and have the highest numbers of television viewership every Saturday.
3. The gap between the weak and the strong will continue to grow- there will be little interest in watching Ohio State pound BIG ‘powerhouses’ like Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana every Saturday. This holds true for Alabama and Georgia- nobody wants to watch them whip Mizzou, Vandy, and South Carolina by 5 scores every Saturday.
4. Eventually, the big schools will realize that they can gain more of a national audience by playing each other every Saturday. Yes- I’m like you, if I watch only 1 game on Saturday, it’ll be an ISU game. However, if I’m going to watch a second or third game on a Saturday, I would probably watch a top matchup between two top teams before I’d tune in to a Wake Forest vs Syracuse matchup. I think because of that, the super conference would pickup more viewership for the big schools than they would have by pummeling weak members of their current conferences. Inspite of what we hear, eyeballs on games matter and schools like Iowa State, despite our loyal and frenetic fan-base, we simply don’t pack a national punch like the big schools do. That’s just the way it is.

There will always be a place for the current B12- it’s going to be a fun conference with lots of regional interest. However, the super conference will be national and will attempt to bring all of us other fans in for our other games that we watch during the weekend. I think that’s where the difference will be. Will an Alabama fan watch an Iowa State-Oklahoma State game if Bama isn’t playing- probably not. Will we come home after an 11:00 game at the Jack and watch a prime time match up between Bama and Ohio State- I think a lot of fans would.

Again, I don’t know what will happen, but I think the powers that be believe there’s still more money to be made off the top brands…it’s just a matter of time before Texas gets them all together to do it. In light of everything we’ve seen so far, I don’t know how this doesn’t happen eventually.

I’d love to hear your thoughts and counters.
If Bama and Ohio State are in some super league that does not meet up with my team or my team's conference. No, I would not watch that. If I want a "better" football game, I'll watch the NFL. I now would watch an NC State vs. anyone over any of the "top dogs" matchups as my daughter is going there for grad school.

I'm weird, and I think we are fanatics here. But, I am sensing a 30/70 split between those that seem to want to watch two schools that they have no affiliation with, that screwed over every other college in the country and chased money over all else and those that only will; watch teams that have some affiliation with their team. Do the 30% of the college football fans create enough eyeballs for the super conference? Maybe.

I'm not going to care becuase I'll just stick with wherever the Clones end up and I won't have as many teams that I hate to take up my brain space.
 

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I think Nebraska will eventually suffer as the older gens can't go any more. Not sure the younger gens will find it as an attractive entertainment option as the middle to older gens do / did. I do admire their loyalty even as their team suffered these last number of years.
What the #### else is there to do in outer Nebraska? Cattle are getting bred to be largerr and the sheep herds are disappearing.;) The old joke is "What do you call a Nebraskan with a hundred girl friends? A cowboy.
 
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Now that IMO is way more realistic than a superconference.

What are you talking about "independence is much more likely than a superconference?" If the biggest universities actually thought there was any money in doing it they would have done it a long time ago. And don't use Notre Dame as an example - Notre Dame can get away with independence because they are a legitimate national brand. No matter how big the brands of Michigan, Ohio St, Alabama, or Texas are, they are still much more regional brands. Sure, Michigan and Ohio St might have more national cache than Alabama and Texas (who are mostly outright hated outside of their regions), but it doesn't even come close to comparing to the national cache that Notre Dame has.
 

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