Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

houjix

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Got it - I didn't realize OTAs were also broadcasting the Black Friday game.

This will definitely be the first test in a while. While there were satellite cases (Sunday Ticket) there were always the cases of OTAs showing these as well, so there was always going to be the 75 mile radius. Amazon or similar being the exclusive carrier of a game will be a new potential challenge.

As far as I know 2024 will be the first time a major network (CBS) will have NFL but no CFB. Probably since the early days of Fox's NFL coverage before they got into CFB. Maybe Fox's CFB interest will be enough, along with not wanting to challenge the amendment to the antitrust exemption to keep CBS and the NFL off of Saturdays. But maybe they'll feel good enough about the fact that CFB has long overgrown the poor little non-profit it was that they want to give Saturdays a try. So for this year I think what happens to the local OTAs if the game goes beyond 6 eastern will be interesting to watch. Then I'm curious to see if CBS tries to pull anything in 2024.
Isn't CBS game of the week going to be a B1G game in 2024?
 

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I think Nebraska will eventually suffer as the older gens can't go any more. Not sure the younger gens will find it as an attractive entertainment option as the middle to older gens do / did. I do admire their loyalty even as their team suffered these last number of years.
Nebraska and aTm had years of great football, and generations of fans watching it. If one grows up watching your team winning championships, or even winning at a high level it takes a decade or two of horrible teams to lose the thought that the school will one day return to their winning ways.

aTm has won nothing in over 20 years and they still pack their stadium, and just like Nebraska, there is not a lot for a student to do on a Saturday in College Station or Lincoln, so they go to the game, and then the bars once it's over. Until apathy sets in and it looks like the university is giving up, people will show up and new fans will continue to be made.
ISU went through the 1980/90 with horrible football, and few winning seasons, but Mac brought back the fan pass, selling the idea of hope, and beating EIU. It has taken some time, but we still have great crowds for the number 2 team in the state, and it's a fan base that is growing.
 

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You can actually download high-resolution pictures of him from his bio website and also his Curriculum Vitae (updated monthly no less)! So on top of everything else, he's a narcissist! :puke:

https://president.asu.edu/the-president/biography
I appreciate the link.

I don't think I want to use it though, or read any more about him. Who makes the decision whether to dismiss or retain a President? ASU needs to get rid of both Crow and R. Anderson. IMO.

Maybe Crow is really good at what he does, for other things but sports, fan interest, etc., but he and Anderson will not help ASU athletics move forward. That much I can see clearly.
 
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Two points:
1. Don't underestimate ESPN/FOX/Media ability to go all in on a stupid idea.

2. would it kill national interest though? If ISU was in the "2nd tier" with 40-50 other teams (just less the Bamas and Ohio Sts), and had a separate championship, wouldn't the fans of the schools still watch the 2nd tier games? I would. I would not watch the Tier 1 though.

which is I think what would happen. Half the viewership now would go to the Tier 1 and half would go to the Tier 2. Which would completely wreck the media goal of concentrating viewership on the Tier 1, allowing them to pay more for less content that would become significantly more valuable due to higher viewership. IDK, maybe they will realize this and it will be enough to overcome point 1...
But that's it they wouldn't make it a separate package. It would all be blended in. So if ISU was on tier 2 we would have to pay for tier 1 games as well as tier 2 and vice a versa for teams in tier 1.
 

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I am saying that there are enough smart people that will run the scenarios and realize it will never work. And therefore it won’t actually ever get to one mega conference breaking away. We are really already at super conferences, but they will always have bottom feeders because the powers understand they need bottom feeders. That knowledge will not change.
There’s a good book, I’m blanking on the name, that examines past corporate blunders like “New Coke” and dives into the psychology behind them. This is a good article from Forbes too on why dumb decisions are made.

A.) Not all decision makers are smart. B.) Even if they were, smart people make stupid decisions all the time.
 
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****. Another alliance.



If it's contractual, then sure, I'd be interested to see what it is. Alliance just seems like the buzz word in the industry right now.

The alliance between the PAC, Big10 and ACC was just a handshake agreement meant to prevent the SEC from taking over the future CFP negotiations after the shock of the SEC taking Texas and OU.
 
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The biggest problem I have with believing a super-league is a viable enterprise is the situation details of a matchup for less than obsessive fans.

Take, for example, Ohio St and Oregon. They played an OOC game against each other in 2021, back before anyone could conceive that they would be in the same conference in a couple of years. Week 2 matchup, #3 Ohio St vs #12 Oregon, Primetime, ABC. It got pretty good rankings because it was an early season game against ranked teams that rarely play each other. There was novelty to it because these two don't play regularly and a lot of other top teams were tuning up against cupcakes.

Let's flash forward to 2029. Oregon has been in the B10 long enough for some of the novelty to have worn off. Week 8, #12 Oregon vs #3 Ohio St. Primetime game, ABC. Is this as attractive of a game to fans other than the two schools/B10? Probably not.

Edit: Wanted to add, a Super Conference probably tanks the value of the CFP. Rematches would be fairly common, and historically, the ratings suffer when that's the case. There wouldn't be nearly as much novelty to watching two teams that rarely play each other to draw in more casual fans. There would be comparatively little to distinguish the playoffs from the end of the regular season.
It doesn't appear as though you considered the inter-conference appeal to the game in 2021. You know 'our' conference is better than 'your' conference. I watched it because I valued everything antiB1G. Now that they're in the same conference you've eliminated a huge set of eyes.
 

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Once again, it is the prophecy -- Basketball!

(keep an eye on the BigEast too)
It appears BY's blueprint is being followed like a chess master. Didn't see this one coming which is why I'm not commissioner. But, if contractually secured, it gives the ACC stability. And I don't know what the bylaws are for accepting an 'alliance'. It might be just enough to circumvent an FSU, Clemson rejection.
 
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I am saying that there are enough smart people that will run the scenarios and realize it will never work. And therefore it won’t actually ever get to one mega conference breaking away. We are really already at super conferences, but they will always have bottom feeders because the powers understand they need bottom feeders. That knowledge will not change.
I think you contradicted yourself. If we are already at super conferences, wouldn't the smart people already realize such super conferences would never work, and therefore the current super conferences would never have formed?

Again, I'm not arguing one mega conference or even the current super conferences will work in the long run. But we currently are in a situation of super conferences. And in my opinion, we are not far away from one mega conference made up of only 'national brands'. Will it form? We don't know. If it formed, will it succeed long term? We don't know. I'm just saying based on the trends, one mega conference may eventually form.
 

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It appears BY's blueprint is being followed like a chess master. Didn't see this one coming which is why I'm not commissioner. But, if contractually secured, it gives the ACC stability. And I don't know what the bylaws are for accepting an 'alliance'. It might be just enough to circumvent and FSU, Clemson rejection.
It also could be a way to build relationships and common ground with the probable "left behinds" in the case that FSU, Clemson, etc do get poached at some point down the road. Get them to see your vision early and be excited for it. Build future partners.
 
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Doesn't matter. If you put the most elite 24 or 30 programs/brands into one superconference eventually there's going to be a top half and a bottom half of that superconference and that bottom half will no longer be viewed as elite.
I don't get why people don't understand this. The reason all the big brands still have big viewership numbers late in the year is because the current system is set up to have lots of teams, usually the big brands still playing meaningful games re: the playoff or at least NY6 pretty late in the year. When big brands fall out of contention, their viewership tanks.

8-0 Michigan vs. 7-1 Wisconsin on the strength of the current model that includes FCS, G5 and Big 10 bottom feeders gets a completely different viewer interest than 4-4 Michigan vs. 2-6 Wisconsin after playing a brutal super league schedule.
I guess, for this (these) reason(s), I don't see a superconference any time soon either, but who knows. I've always felt that the more powerful members of any conference need the less powerful to 'feed' on, therefore making their record look good. That is very noticable in the noncon schedule for many.

I suppose partial shares for the 'underperforming' conference members makes more sense, but that is also problematic in the long run.

Perhaps, in the long run, college football will have more regulation, than it does now certainly, and maybe it will be more along the lines of the NFL some day? The 'haves' in college football will not be leading that wave though!

Now, everyone/every team is striving for more money, if there is a way to get it. You would think it will eventually get to a point where there will need to be balance, for the health of the whole.
 
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I guess, for this (these) reason(s), I don't see a superconference any time soon either, but who knows. I've always felt that the more powerful members of any conference need the less powerful to 'feed' on, therefore making their record look good. That is very noticable in the noncon schedule for many.

I suppose partial shares for the 'underperforming' conference members makes more sense, but that is also problematic in the long run.

Perhaps, in the long run, college football will have more regulation, than it does now certainly, and maybe it will be more along the lines of the NFL some day? The 'haves' in college football will not be leading that wave though!

Now, everyone/every team is striving for more money, if there is a way to get it. You would think it will eventually get to a point where there will need to be balance, for the health of the whole.
I wouldn't be surprised if, once the new expanded CFP is figured out beyond 2026, conferences like the B1G which have always distributed media and bowl revenue equally among its members adopt a system where the programs that generate CFP and bowl $$$ for any given year get a larger cut of that revenue.
 
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It doesn't appear as though you considered the inter-conference appeal to the game in 2021. You know 'our' conference is better than 'your' conference. I watched it because I valued everything antiB1G. Now that they're in the same conference you've eliminated a huge set of eyes.
I could see it going both ways.

As an OOC game, it piques the interest of the general cfb fans interested in seeing how the two conference stack up against each other in addition to it being a unusual matchup that doesn't happen often. The Oregon, Ohio St and will-watch-anything B10 fans will tune in either way.

As a conference game, it's still a good game with conference and CFP implications. But how different is it than, say #8 Michigan vs #12 Wisconsin? Or #15 Penn St vs #23 Michigan St? Not much. All those happen with some regularity, and none are really top-shelf rivalry game. But I think it loses a lot of casual fans who wouldn't view it as a must-see game.

My opinion, there are more general cfb fans that would be more likely to catch the OOC game than B10 fans that would skip the OOC.
 

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****. Another alliance.


This is a good thing. I don’t see it ending in a merger, but rather strength in numbers when you negotiate your next media deal. I always thought the PAC 12, ACC and BiG ”alliance” was only done at the behest of the PAC 12 which was spooked by the OuT.
 

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This is a good thing. I don’t see it ending in a merger, but rather strength in numbers when you negotiate your next media deal. I always thought the PAC 12, ACC and BiG ”alliance” was only done at the behest of the PAC 12 which was spooked by the OuT.

Peesh. The PAC had nothing to worry about

Oh...wait
 
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