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dmclone said:
Hopefully prices follow that trend and I can pick up a cheap condo in Des Moines. I've had my eye on one of those brown camp lofts for a long time.
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I looked at those decades ago. Then one night I'm watching a show on HBO about meth or drugs or something.

Sure as **** there was meth street racing right by the lofts. What a **** show right there on the Home Box Office.

Bought in Beaverdale. The worst thing we had happen was a drunk neighbor almost took his Jeep through the front of of his place.
 
cowgirl836 said:
and again, study after study shows a 4 day workweek at full pay is more productive and beneficial. Why are the same companies jumping to RTO also jumping to do a 4 day workweek?
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Depends what the job is for 4 day work week. Production work drops at about 7 hours, bigger drop after 8 and you aren’t getting much after 9. I saw it every time we tried to lengthen days and my friends on the line even admit it happens

If supply chain does 4 when production does 5, it’s a mess. Half days on Saturday would back up load outs and ins since trucks didn’t move on Saturday.

Some that went to 4 10s also found most people took vacay on Thursday’s and they could get most of the summer this way, so now they only had 3 days of full force Until they limited the number of requests for those days and then the workers got mad.
 
A couple of my sons are on the 9/80 schedule and are happy with that. They both are able to work from home when they want. Neither of their employers have enough work space for everybody to go in anyway. Both work in KC so golf together a lot on the Friday off.
 
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BCClone said:
Depends what the job is for 4 day work week. Production work drops at about 7 hours, bigger drop after 8 and you aren’t getting much after 9. I saw it every time we tried to lengthen days and my friends on the line even admit it happens

If supply chain does 4 when production does 5, it’s a mess. Half days on Saturday would back up load outs and ins since trucks didn’t move on Saturday.

Some that went to 4 10s also found most people took vacay on Thursday’s and they could get most of the summer this way, so now they only had 3 days of full force Until they limited the number of requests for those days and then the workers got mad.
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We've had summer hours. Think we all still put in a full week, but just having a couple of hours to leave "early" on Friday makes a huge difference
 
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carvers4math said:
A couple of my sons are on the 9/80 schedule and are happy with that. They both are able to work from home when they want. Neither of their employers have enough work space for everybody to go in anyway. Both work in KC so golf together a lot on the Friday off.
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FmHA (when that was their name) tried to hire me on this schedule. Negative was that since I was to be the new person, my “open” day could be Wednesday as the seasoned people took Friday and Monday.
 
Gunnerclone said:
Ya the “live, work, and play downtown” thing is dead after CoVID. It peaked in like 2017/18 probably. It still works in larger cities like KC/Nashville/Portland etc. but for a place the size of DSM it’s dead.
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Wasn't it still relatively new to Des Moines? Like it didn't really exist until the late 2000s?

That can't help if there wasn't a long held foundation to it.
 
madguy30 said:
Wasn't it still relatively new to Des Moines? Like it didn't really exist until the late 2000s?

That can't help if there wasn't a long held foundation to it.
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Seems like it was even early 2010s when it finally became “cool” to live downtown.
 
Gunnerclone said:
Des Moines went from the “best place for millennials, super hip mid sized city” to “best place to retire” in a span of 15 years. It’s not a coincidence imo that coincided with the rise of Neo-Fascist Republivanism/MAGA. Then throw in the pandemic and it’s over. Downtown Des Moines won’t come back until the politics change and even then it’s not a sure thing due to pandemic mindset changes. Cumming, Adel, and Bondurant are the new “downtown”.
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That's right up there with one of the dumbest takes I've ever heard about Des Moines.

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Gunnerclone said:
There’s a way bigger discussion here the point is that the Pandemic changed everything and ignoring that or pretending that it didn’t is foolish. In terms of the “live work play” thing you could be right, maybe it’s a longevity thing that gives other places the chance to continue that, but due to whatever metric you want to use it’s not going to happen for Des Moines. Des Moines had a chance back in the late 2000’s and 2010’s to make it stick but a variety of things colluded to kill that. Des Moines went from the “best place for millennials, super hip mid sized city” to “best place to retire” in a span of 15 years. It’s not a coincidence imo that coincided with the rise of Neo-Fascist Republivanism/MAGA. Then throw in the pandemic and it’s over. Downtown Des Moines won’t come back until the politics change and even then it’s not a sure thing due to pandemic mindset changes. Cumming, Adel, and Bondurant are the new “downtown”.
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Yeah like in Madison the concept seemed to pick up steam when I moved here in 2006 and then really after 2010ish new bars and apartments started popping up all over downtown. Lots of the apartment complexes that have restaurants and bars at the bottom.

It was already a flooded food market so some have come and gone but it's only expanded over the last two-three years and lots of spots along the near east side have gone from kind of seedy to updated.
 
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Gunnerclone said:
There’s a way bigger discussion here the point is that the Pandemic changed everything and ignoring that or pretending that it didn’t is foolish. In terms of the “live work play” thing you could be right, maybe it’s a longevity thing that gives other places the chance to continue that, but due to whatever metric you want to use it’s not going to happen for Des Moines. Des Moines had a chance back in the late 2000’s and 2010’s to make it stick but a variety of things colluded to kill that. Des Moines went from the “best place for millennials, super hip mid sized city” to “best place to retire” in a span of 15 years. It’s not a coincidence imo that coincided with the rise of Neo-Fascist Republivanism/MAGA. Then throw in the pandemic and it’s over. Downtown Des Moines won’t come back until the politics change and even then it’s not a sure thing due to pandemic mindset changes. Cumming, Adel, and Bondurant are the new “downtown”.
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I don't disagree with you on your opinion of DSM, but Cumming? Adel? I assure you they're not the 'new downtown'. I'm not even sure there is a 'new downtown', but those wouldn't be it. West Des Moines, maybe.
 
Tailg8er said:
I don't disagree with you on your opinion of DSM, but Cumming? Adel? I assure you they're not the 'new downtown'. I'm not even sure there is a 'new downtown', but those wouldn't be it. West Des Moines, maybe.
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I think the reasons people are moving to those places are the reasons that they aren't really going to downtown dsm in their free time was his point.
 
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madguy30 said:
Wasn't it still relatively new to Des Moines? Like it didn't really exist until the late 2000s?

That can't help if there wasn't a long held foundation to it.
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A friend of mine bought a downtown condo in like 2008 and that was one of the very first places down there. We moved to the metro in 2005 and the revitalization of downtown was just starting. Court Ave was still kind of sketch and High Life Lounge was a true hole in the wall corner tap.
 
Gunnerclone said:
There’s a way bigger discussion here the point is that the Pandemic changed everything and ignoring that or pretending that it didn’t is foolish. In terms of the “live work play” thing you could be right, maybe it’s a longevity thing that gives other places the chance to continue that, but due to whatever metric you want to use it’s not going to happen for Des Moines. Des Moines had a chance back in the late 2000’s and 2010’s to make it stick but a variety of things colluded to kill that. Des Moines went from the “best place for millennials, super hip mid sized city” to “best place to retire” in a span of 15 years. It’s not a coincidence imo that coincided with the rise of Neo-Fascist Republivanism/MAGA. Then throw in the pandemic and it’s over. Downtown Des Moines won’t come back until the politics change and even then it’s not a sure thing due to pandemic mindset changes. Cumming, Adel, and Bondurant are the new “downtown”.
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Downtown DSM was already sliding south before the pandemic. However, covid definitely sped things up.
 
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Tailg8er said:
I don't disagree with you on your opinion of DSM, but Cumming? Adel? I assure you they're not the 'new downtown'. I'm not even sure there is a 'new downtown', but those wouldn't be it. West Des Moines, maybe.
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The new downtown is West Glen in WDM and Prairie Trail up in Ankeny.
 
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