Playoffs

[KidSilverhair]

umm, they beat Georgia by 18.

Oops, misread that one. That does raise the question of why it’s Alabama getting the nod in the committee rankings over Ole Miss - they both beat Georgia while having a couple of bad SEC losses. It can’t be just because of the name, could it?

 

[ISU_Guy]

BCS, 4 team, 12 team. People will alwayts bi^ch

agreed. if they move to 16 team play off then the b7tching slides down the scale to other teams.
I just never imagined the Big12 being the laughing stock of the process is all.

 

[Clark]

What's the old saying about a penny wise and pound foolish?

If the big 12 wants to go to 8 games, it probably won't hurt their playoff chances any. If the Big 12 then decides to not play any Big 10, SEC, or ACC schools, they are in big trouble. If the reasoning for going to 8 wins is so that you can ask your members to schedule another power 4 game, that's good strategy. If the reason is to play another MAC school, you're just digging your own grave as a conference.

 

[KidSilverhair]

BCS, 4 team, 12 team. People will alwayts bi^ch

Because there’s no clear criteria. The BCS just picked two teams, partly based on computer rankings people didn’t understand, and there’s always going to be more than two teams that feel deserving.

Once they went to a playoff, they started using a committee that again had no clear criteria, that kept changing their justifications based on nothing but getting in the teams the wanted - 13th data point, eye test, strength of schedule, good losses, best win, who’d win on a neutral field - they mix and match reasons like these to fit their own preferences.

Give us a clear, unbiased qualification for making the playoff - like winning your conference - and while you’re never going to end the complaining (“we went 12-0 and lost our conference championship in overtime, what do you mean we’re not in the playoff?”), at least everyone can answer “Maybe you should have won that game, you knew it was the only way to get in.”

 

[Clark]

Oops, misread that one. That does raise the question of why it’s Alabama getting the nod in the committee rankings over Ole Miss - they both beat Georgia while having a couple of bad SEC losses. It can’t be just because of the name, could it?

 

[madguy30]

agreed. if they move to 16 team play off then the b7tching slides down the scale to other teams.
I just never imagined the Big12 being the laughing stock of the process is all.

I could see it a mile away. It's been that way for a long time.

All sorts of building blocks/baked in examples.

--The B1G and SEC are 'real football' if it's a 37-32 type of score but the Big 12 is 'flag football' if it's a 28-24 type of score on the same day.

--Nebraska with the 'welcome to the Big Ten' narrative when they were having roughly the same results no matter the conference on either side of the switch with Pelini and really hadn't been all that good since 2001.

--The same treatment has been given to OU for being average this year even though they were average last year too.

 

[MartyFine]

 

[werdnamanhill]

So. #20 UNLV defeats #8 Boise
#16 ISU defeats #15 ASU

Would UNLV jump us?

 

[KidSilverhair]

Well what else is she going to say? Of course she’ll say this, and good for her.

I mean, she’s wrong, but ya gotta advocate for your conference.

 

[StLouisClone]

So. #20 UNLV defeats #8 Boise
#16 ISU defeats #15 ASU

Would UNLV jump us?

No. It would be UNLV's only quality win on the season. By comparison, ISU would have wins over Iowa, Baylor, KState and ASU.

Believe it or not, UNLV currently has only 1 win over a team with a winning record. San Jose State is 7-5.

 

[ClubCy]

No. It would be UNLV's only quality win on the season. By comparison, ISU would have wins over Iowa, Baylor, KState and ASU.

Believe it or not, UNLV currently has only 1 win over a team with a winning record. San Jose State is 7-5.

They beat a team we couldn’t lol

 

[ISUser]

No. It would be UNLV's only quality win on the season. By comparison, ISU would have wins over Iowa, Baylor, KState and ASU.

Believe it or not, UNLV currently has only 1 win over a team with a winning record. San Jose State is 7-5.

As much as I hate to say it, I could 100% see UNLV jumping the Big 12 champ. Especially ISU. The playoff committee statement would be something like this:

"UNLV won at KU and ISU lost at KU. By the law of common opponents UNLV is superior! Additionally they won by the same margin of victory at Houston."

 

[werdnamanhill]

As much as I hate to say it, I could 100% see UNLV jumping the Big 12 champ. Especially ISU. The playoff committee statement would be something like this:

"UNLV won at KU and ISU lost at KU. By the law of common opponents UNLV is superior! Additionally they won by the same margin of victory at Houston."

Yep I'm pretty afraid of this. All you can do is win the championship and let it play out.

 

[KidSilverhair]

The B1G and SEC have issues with the playoff committee? Really? What, having three non-B1G/SEC (and Notre Dame) teams taking up a full one-third of the playoff field is somehow unfair?

 

[ISU_Guy]

The B1G and SEC have issues with the playoff committee? Really? What, having three non-B1G/SEC (and Notre Dame) teams taking up a full one-third of the playoff field is somehow unfair?

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this just confirms that there will be a big change in how this is done moving forward. and what are they complaining about anyway?
They will probably start with expanding the playoffs to 16.
seeding according to actual rankings. and not giving the ACC and Big12/G5 AQ byes.

They want to see a world where SEC and Big Ten get at least 5 each in.
then give the 6 other spots to ACC, BIG12, G5 and ND.

if they don't get their way, they will probably move on to their own playoff system and they can have their own circle jerk.

They do understand that every tournament ever isn't fair right? Look at MLB Baseball. look at the NFC North this year. I mean the vikings are probably going to go 12-4 or 13-3 and have to be a wildcard team and play a road game first road against a team thats .500. thats more screwed up than this.

 

[Cloneon]

this just confirms that there will be a big change in how this is done moving forward. and what are they complaining about anyway?
They will probably start with expanding the playoffs to 16.
seeding according to actual rankings. and not giving the ACC and Big12/G5 AQ byes.

They want to see a world where SEC and Big Ten get at least 5 each in.
then give the 6 other spots to ACC, BIG12, G5 and ND.

if they don't get their way, they will probably move on to their own playoff system and they can have their own circle jerk.

They do understand that every tournament ever isn't fair right? Look at MLB Baseball. look at the NFC North this year. I mean the vikings are probably going to go 12-4 or 13-3 and have to be a wildcard team and play a road game first road against a team thats .500. thats more screwed up than this.

There's still parity built into other leagues. The current CFP has no parity. Also, 'pre-qualifications' need to be established and NOT be messed with. NOT just ratings, because 'ratings' are consistently altered to fit the narrative. I say, play their hand. If they want their own circle jerk, so be it. IMO it'll fail miserably and in 10 years they'll be on the outside looking in. Don't give them the upper hand. Time for Yormark and the other P conferences to play hard ball and get a powerful third media giant.

 

[harimad]

Correct. Our award for winning the Big 12 (a P4 conference...) will be playing the most difficult away game in our history as a program, where the entire world will be heavily betting (literally) on us (and hoping, praying, talking into existence) to get trounced. That's the reward.

It's a ticket into the national championship lottery. It's a far better reward than a meaningless bowl game.

 

[2speedy1]

Where are all those people on here that were all over those of us that said the B12 would rarely if ever get multiple bids? That said a 3 loss Alabama would never get in. That none of those early rankings mean anything, yet it just proved that they were used to keep those teams high all season.

Some on here really argued that those that said the bias is so insane that the B12 will get screwed.

I think we have the proof that the B12 is going to get screwed, and yet the B1G and SEC are still not happy.

I need to go back and get some receipts. Cuz its playing out just like many of us said.

 

[ISU_Guy]

There's still parity built into other leagues. The current CFP has no parity. Also, 'pre-qualifications' need to be established and NOT be messed with. NOT just ratings, because 'ratings' are consistently altered to fit the narrative. I say, play their hand. If they want their own circle jerk, so be it. IMO it'll fail miserably and in 10 years they'll be on the outside looking in. Don't give them the upper hand. Time for Yormark and the other P conferences to play hard ball and get a powerful third media giant.

True, got ya, I guess I was just trying to drive home the point that the VIkings and the Packers are going to be much better teams than the two other divisions and are going to be seeded lower yet nobody complains.
College football people lose their minds and the whole system goes up in flames.

also, danger playing poker right now, but also can't just lay down and take it.
i just don't know what the answer is. But i can tell you in a normal year where the Big 12 has 5-6+ teams that are good, this is going to suck only getting one bid.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

I mean, I’m not upset with that. She’s the commissioner of the conference. I’d expect her to support the conference championship.

Now if that was Mandel or Dinich or Auerbach, then I’d be pissed