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What a strange hill to die on ,but here you are. OK so you wanted the university to force the players to play and the coaches, many of whom have taken another job to finish out the season and coach a meaningless bowl game? What do you do when they say "No"? Many of the coaches have already signed on with their new team, so how are you going to force them to coach, how do you force players to play in a game that they do not want too because they are leaving the team? Do you really want to see Campbell on the sidelines for ISU one final game that does not matter and have to listen to 3.5 hours of "he is already recruiting at Penn. State and speculating on how he will do there?
In the Holiday season, let it go, be happy they were here this year and let's look forward to the future, not thinking about a meaningless bowl game.
This. PSU was in a bind. To me, Matt had all the leverage. I’ll go, but I’m going to reward those players loyal to me at ISU and encourage going to the bowl. Those players deserve it! Gives some that might not okay due to opt outs a good opportunity. So, instead of bowl prep and something to look forward to, we’re left with weeks of talking about all the uncertainty.
I get it’s a business, but just proves Matt wasn’t as “all in” ss we thought. Just another after thought. Sad way to go out. Time will heal the wound, but feel for the senior players thst bought in.
What do all the other teams do that decide to play in a bowl after losing a coach for one reason or another?
Hell KSUs new coach is still coaching at A&M weeks after taking the job at KSU.
NONE of the coaches outside Campbell had "signed on" anywhere else at the time of the vote.
This is a very common occurrence, it happens every year, all the time, and teams still make it work.
How do you force teams and coaches to play? Well in many cases its not "forcing" because many still actually want to. Let me ask you this? How does your boss "force" you to do your damn job?
Why would Campbell be on the sidelines? Do you even watch College football? Was Kiffin on the sidelines at Ol Miss? Is Franklin on the sidelines at PSU? Was Rogers on the sideline at Wazzu bowl? NO, many teams lost coaches, and no none of those teams had the old coach on the sidelines.
My god some of you act like this doesnt happen all over the place every year, and somehow almost every other school figures out how to make it work.
For christ sake the exact thing happened to Wazzu in the exact same timeframe, and somehow they managed to show up and finish the season. And SEVERAL, if not most, of those coaches that coached in that game, already have other jobs in other places, including coming to ISU with Rogers. Many of those players plan to enter the portal too, yet still showed up and played.
Its insane you continue to make these excuses when all you have to do is look at Wazzu and see every single excuse is complete BS.
But but but, what if the team comes down with the bubonic plague and the coaches dog ***** on the field, and the punter gets a hangnail, how would they manage to force them to play.
Our ‘culture guy’ took a job where the fans openly revolted over the idea the NCAA would take career wins away from an 80 year old man who looked the other way as kids got molested because the monster doing it had a history as a solid D coordinator.
Then ‘culture guy’ went as far as reminiscing about the pedo enabler up in his welcome speech to the cultists.
Color me not shocked to hear they didn’t want to stick around. And I’m sure they told the players that as well…
Hey, I’m sure it was an uncomfortable 20 or so days in Pullman for the staff leaving & the kids who are entering the TP. Probably felt like the time could be better spent on new endeavors as well.
I think we traded up.
Kind of hard for a coach to preach loyalty, when they themselves just left for a different job. I do not blame Campbell here at all, this is his profession, it sucks for ISU, because we should have been very good next season.
Penn State signed two high school players to scholarships a few days before, not 22 but 2 high school kids. So they were already behind the curve in getting players into the program, if Campbell or any of his staff had stayed that were going to PSU, it would put them even further behind in bringing in players for next season. You also have to remember that all the asst. coaches are on a one year contract, if they were not offered a position to move with Campbell, they are unemployed after the new year, and unless they were told they were going to get a job with the new staff here at ISU, few were, then they want to use their time to find their next coaching position, not getting kids ready for a meaningless bowl game.
After reading this, one could question the culture that each coach taught. Coach Campbell's players voted to opt out- while Coach Rogers' players carried on without him and finished the task at hand with a crushing victory. To me that speaks volumes.What do all the other teams do that decide to play in a bowl after losing a coach for one reason or another?
Hell KSUs new coach is still coaching at A&M weeks after taking the job at KSU.
NONE of the coaches outside Campbell had "signed on" anywhere else at the time of the vote.
This is a very common occurrence, it happens every year, all the time, and teams still make it work.
How do you force teams and coaches to play? Well in many cases its not "forcing" because many still actually want to. Let me ask you this? How does your boss "force" you to do your damn job?
Why would Campbell be on the sidelines? Do you even watch College football? Was Kiffin on the sidelines at Ol Miss? Is Franklin on the sidelines at PSU? Was Rogers on the sideline at Wazzu bowl? NO, many teams lost coaches, and no none of those teams had the old coach on the sidelines.
My god some of you act like this doesnt happen all over the place every year, and somehow almost every other school figures out how to make it work.
For christ sake the exact thing happened to Wazzu in the exact same timeframe, and somehow they managed to show up and finish the season. And SEVERAL, if not most, of those coaches that coached in that game, already have other jobs in other places, including coming to ISU with Rogers. Many of those players plan to enter the portal too, yet still showed up and played.
Its insane you continue to make these excuses when all you have to do is look at Wazzu and see every single excuse is complete BS.
But but but, what if the team comes down with the bubonic plague and the coaches dog ***** on the field, and the punter gets a hangnail, how would they manage to force them to play.
Yes, why not. All the teams in the Big 12 cost the conference money. Why only ISU and ksu fined. Just like ISU gets fined for rushing the field and KU and CU and how many others have not. ISU needs to stop paying these bull **** fines.
Again, let it go. The new KSU coach has been a player and an asst. coach at KSU, he knew the staff it would not be difficult for him to talk to the people on the staff and tell them which ones he is retaining and tell them to get to work, with him checking in on them. Saban said that is what he did when he had coaches leave on year, as they prepared for the championship game, the coaches were splitting time between getting the team ready and recruiting at their new school. Kiffin wanted to coach the playoff game for Ol Miss and the school told him no, I do not blame them. What you are calling a very common occurrence really is not. Its up to the school and the coach, if ISU wanted to let him coach the game, and Campbell also wanted to coach it, that would be fine, but it sounds like both parties had moved on, ISU had hired a new staff and the old staff wanted to get started on their new job at PSU. Rogers let his defensive coaches stay and coach the bowl game, ISU had decided not play in a bowl, and it would be Rogers job to convince the returning players to stay or leave, it would also help him to keep some of his old staff out there, talking to the players that he would want to join him here at ISU.What do all the other teams do that decide to play in a bowl after losing a coach for one reason or another?
Hell KSUs new coach is still coaching at A&M weeks after taking the job at KSU.
NONE of the coaches outside Campbell had "signed on" anywhere else at the time of the vote.
This is a very common occurrence, it happens every year, all the time, and teams still make it work.
How do you force teams and coaches to play? Well in many cases its not "forcing" because many still actually want to. Let me ask you this? How does your boss "force" you to do your damn job?
Why would Campbell be on the sidelines? Do you even watch College football? Was Kiffin on the sidelines at Ol Miss? Is Franklin on the sidelines at PSU? Was Rogers on the sideline at Wazzu bowl? NO, many teams lost coaches, and no none of those teams had the old coach on the sidelines.
My god some of you act like this doesnt happen all over the place every year, and somehow almost every other school figures out how to make it work.
For christ sake the exact thing happened to Wazzu in the exact same timeframe, and somehow they managed to show up and finish the season. And SEVERAL, if not most, of those coaches that coached in that game, already have other jobs in other places, including coming to ISU with Rogers. Many of those players plan to enter the portal too, yet still showed up and played.
Its insane you continue to make these excuses when all you have to do is look at Wazzu and see every single excuse is complete BS.
But but but, what if the team comes down with the bubonic plague and the coaches dog ***** on the field, and the punter gets a hangnail, how would they manage to force them to play.
I'm not coming up with excuses, dumb ****. Simply stating it's not as simple/black & white as you're making it out to be. I've already said I wish they played, but they aren't, so GET OVER IT.
Or keep trying to compare a random corporate job to that of a D1 football program, cause that's a real useful exercise.
Any insights into Konrardy?
I hope Konrardy stays, but if he leaves, the Wazzu kicker is a R.Fr (3-years left), who's parents both went to ISU, his brother was the most recent Iowa kicker, and he followed Rogers from SDSU.
I hope Konrardy stays, but if he leaves, the Wazzu kicker is a R.Fr (3-years left), who's parents both went to ISU, his brother was the most recent Iowa kicker, and he followed Rogers from SDSU.
It's 9:24 a.m. Pullman time. So far nothing on any Washington State guys.
Reminder, the portal doesn't even open for another 10 days.
Ok, how about I just compare it to Wazzu? You know another program, that was in the EXACT same situation? Or any of the other countless programs this year or every year in the past? Some how they figured it out. Its pretty ******* black and white, its not nearly as complicated as you and others here are making it out to be.
Comparing it to WSU is much better than comparing it to a random Iowan's corporate job which you've done multiple times now.
You've also implied every team that loses a coach goes on to play in a bowl game, which again is not at all true.
Now you've moved on to comparing every single team/coach/school/situation to each other based solely on the criteria of 1) lost a coach at the end of the season, and 2) qualified for a bowl game. Yeah, I'm sure there are zero things that could be different between 2 schools in those situations.
How many active d-backs does WSU have on their roster as of their game yesterday? How many players for WSU had announced they were leaving as of yesterday? Because at ISU we had maybe 5 defensive backs that could have played in a bowl, and already have 11 players & counting that are gone.
I'll just let you go ahead & continue beating this dead horse & making dumb arguments. You're only making yourself look less intelligent, but it's obvious you don't care about that. Carry on.
They've probably been asked to give the new coach the courtesy of sitting down with them before they head to the portal, just like our guys were.
Yeah, lets play in a meaningless post season exhibition game! Bowls mean absolutely nothing.
Check the schedule for their women's basketball team. Maybe they're waiting to talk to them at halftime.
What I meant was referring to every school that loses a coach, that goes on to play in a bowl etc. Not every school ever that loses a coach plays in one. I can see how I wrote it might confuse you.
That being said, I have compared it to those schools Like wazzu many times, just some on here are so dense, like you, that cant understand that, so I tried to come up with a way you might understand, but obviously you cant. But tell me how a coach and a player, both getting paid to do a job, is different than any other job, other than they apparently can refuse to do their job and quit, to turn their back on their so called loyalty, and still get paid and still have fans like you, kiss their ass for it.
That being said 99% of all schools that ever lost a coach and qualified for a bowl, still went on to play in said bowl regardless of losing that coach. But you go ahead and put the likes of KSU on a pedestal to try to emulate, if that works for you, I sure as hell am not going to.
How many of our players, announced they were leaving when they voted? Sure they have now, weeks after they made up their mind to quit on ISU. Its almost like the Wazzu players havent announced yet because they were busy preparing and working for their bowl. Its almost like keeping players active and working is a good way to keep them involved with the program, which may work out to them deciding to stay, rather than letting them quit, with the only thing for them to do is contemplate leaving.
As far as the rest of your BS, I seem to have an awful lot of likes and agreements on the subject. I at least have come up with actual real tangible reasons and evidence of schools etc that have made it work. You have just come up with hypotheticals like what if there were no coaches, what if there were no players, what if there were no DBs. But its different at ISU than it has ever been anywhere else that ever lost coach, its just so hard, you cant compare ISU to any other school in this situation because no one has ever had it as bad as ISU....Bla bla bla.
Well I can do the same, what if there were plenty to play? What if we had plenty of players to play, what if we had plenty of coaches to coach, what if, what if?Keep in mind I havent resorted in calling anyone names because I didnt like their argument, because I didnt agree with them. You have done so mulitiple times, which does not make your argument any better, as far as I am concerned the minute you resort to insults, and name calling, you lost. But you do you, its not like I would ever take moral lessons from you as someone who accepts and celebrates quitters, this is precisely the issue with people today, people are fine with quitting at the first sign of adversity, people all want a participation trophy.
That all being said, feel free to put me on ignore, if you dont like it. I cant do it for you.
They never have. But keep claiming the liberty bowl today is different than the liberty bowl in 1995.
