Objectively - ISU still needs a talent upgrade. We took advantage of a soft schedule, but this team never put everything together and it was maddening to watch.
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You said pass game is bleh when we have 2 1k receivers. Thats... one interpretation?
I'd say objectively we had a damn good year. Never going to be sad about a 10 win season.
I challenge you to name the teams that loaded up on wins against high end teams. These uneven conferences have made it that there are few teams with loads of “quality” wins.
I mean the team I've watched in person 4 times this year. The HoF QB who's had a bad year and somehow scraped out wins. Similar to the ISU team and Rocco who I've watched in person 8 times this year.
Nope. Burkle was fine but Ben is a beast. Had he been healthy all year we'd be having a different conversation
? Not sure what this is in reference to. I'm sure after claiming people should be objective, you didn't just cherry pick one games stats to make your point?
What about isus longest td pass streak. Or ten wins, 3 of which he led game winning drives on? Or one of the best sophomore qbrs this year?
I said he's a winner. He's just not that good. That's the K State game if your 1st question was serious. Sam Richardson, Jantz, Barnett, Tillard, Arnaud, Meyers also weren't that great
Very good post. I totally agree with everything but the OC. Could Mouser be questioned, certainly, but being a 1st year OC I think he did good overall.
The schedule piece is the biggest factor in my mind for how we got to 10 wins. You could easily see a path before the season started. Credit to the players and coaches for taking care of business against most of the bad to average opponents....that cannot go overlooked. I expected they would drop a couple more against those opponents. The 2 ranked teams we beat were good wins, but we also had only 4 true road games, 3 against bad teams.
All in all, this season exceeded my expectations. Getting to the championship game and losing sucks, but the way we got pounded almost made me feel better about it in a weird way. We really were so close but so far away from winning the title. We also got some luck with the tiebreaker over 2 other good teams that we did not have to play. To ever win the title, we need to take another full step forward as a program. Today showed that our record was a little bit of fools gold. Proud of this team nonetheless.
Am I happy with ten wins...Heck, yes. I don't even care if we might have done it against a BIG West like schedule as Iowa has feasted on for years. {Not even admitting it was that weak}. I believe this team has overachieved, and met and overcame a ton of challenges overall.
Now, my question is this; Is the Big XII evolving again? It seems to me it is less of a throw it all over the field conference now. I feel we are looking at a lot of teams trying to go with mobile QBs and stud running backs and less passing reliance. Credit this in part to Breece Hall and David Mongomery's success.
If offenses are going to become less pass happy going forward, will the 3-3-5 defense that we run stand up against the elusive QB's and power running offenses vs the finesse offenses of past years? What tweaks are needed to make this defense stouter against teams like that rely less on the pass like we have seen in the past?
Now, my question is this; Is the Big XII evolving again? It seems to me it is less of a throw it all over the field conference now. I feel we are looking at a lot of teams trying to go with mobile QBs and stud running backs and less passing reliance. Credit this in part to Breece Hall and David Mongomery's success.
If offenses are going to become less pass happy going forward, will the 3-3-5 defense that we run stand up against the elusive QB's and power running offenses vs the finesse offenses of past years? What tweaks are needed to make this defense stouter against teams like that rely less on the pass like we have seen in the past?
Soooo much analysis.
Simple, end o day.
ASU is a vastly superior team, both sides of the ball.
My gf, who knows nothing about football. "We seem slow."
Yep. Who here doesn't wince, when an opponent hits the outside edge/turns the corner?
Simple, end o day.
ASU is a vastly superior team, both sides of the ball.
My gf, who knows nothing about football. "We seem slow."
Yep. Who here doesn't wince, when an opponent hits the outside edge/turns the corner?
Most computer metrics/rankings will still have us around 15-20 out of 130ish FBS teams and 65 P4 teams.
Is that objective enough? That's kind of exactly where I thought ISU (and BYU and KSU and Colorado) were all season. ASU does seem to really be on a roll, hope they can represent Big 12 well.
I thought 10 wins going into the year, but barely scraping by UCF, losing to Tech weren't what I expected. 10 win B12 team should be top 8 not 15-20
He has a better win percentage than all. Those others you listed by far... and has a ten win season.. that's nothing to scoff at. I tally can't believe people don't think he's good. Winning mentality and doing what it takes is part of what makes a qb good.
Yeah I can see that, if our ten wins were all dominant instead of having 3-4 crazy comeback wins I think we could still think of it more as top ten.
I never thought that though. I thought ISU, and a lot of the Big 12, was 15-30 range ranking all season long.
KState was ranked about 20th in metrics a lot of weeks they were unranked.
The schedule getting us to ten wins is really a stupid argument. We have NEVER done that before, even when we had easier schedules.
Football takes a village I'm not trying to be demeaning. He's just not elite. Look at Mahomes losing 66 10 to an average at best ISU team. He needed Kelce, Jones, etc...
The thing that looking back at the season, the team never really played a game (outside of ARST game) were they played 4 quarters of their true potential as a team. Most Campbell teams improve throughout the year, this team just never stepped above it's baseline from the start of the year. WVU was the team's peak
Lmao you ignored the rest of his college career and focus on one game... as you did with becht. Not sure you understand the word "objective" you used.
Injuries played a big factor. Secondary was clean but got worse Hansen made the run game better. Travis made the o line better. Citrus made the d line better when he got back. Coaching never got better. Mouse is a lazy play caller. Heacock is a genius but too stubborn
