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Some certainly are.

Probably not as many as you think, though.

There is also a pretty big continuum between the Archie Bunker types of the world... well-meaning but nonetheless offensive and hurtful out of their own ignorance and stupidity... and John C. Calhoun, ones with deep ideological commitments to hatred and discrimination.

Ones they are quite open about.

But that kind of nuance is not what online politics is for.

Online politics is for feeling angry. Because feeling angry is fun.

Nothing gets the blood pumping for a violent, chaotic species like ours by evolution like a good political flame war. Our lives have become so predictable, safe, and anodyne otherwise that we have to invent things to get angry about to feed our caveman brains.

A thousand kudos for a John C. Calhoun reference
 
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I got called out in name in the thread for making it political: literally my only contribution was saying 63% of people dont approve of our response, the preeminent expert in infectious diseases doesnt approve and 3 major healthcare associations released a statement that said our response was a worst case scenario. Sorry I wasnt going to let redacted blow smoke up our asses and pretend we didnt drop the ball
 

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People misunderstand that the purpose for existence of the cave is a quarantine zone for that kind of talk. If you remove that, you'll just have those same topics regularly appearing on regular boards (just like they do now, on occasion before before moved there), but at a greater frequency than now.

With the cave being mostly unmoderated now, it'll be more work mod-wise to remove it when the same topics inevitably bleed out into places they don't belong. Having a proper zone to keep it in is more effective at hiding it than giving it nowhere to go.
 

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People misunderstand that the purpose for existence of the cave is a quarantine zone for that kind of talk. If you remove that, you'll just have those same topics regularly appearing on regular boards (just like they do now, on occasion before before moved there), but at a greater frequency than now.

With the cave being mostly unmoderated now, it'll be more work mod-wise to remove it when the same topics inevitably bleed out into places they don't belong. Having a proper zone to keep it in is more effective at hiding it than giving it nowhere to go.

The purpose was a quarantine zone, but now I wonder if it is more of a breeding ground. A fetid swamp breeding tons of mosquitoes ready to come and ruin your pleasant afternoon sportsball tailgate.
 

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Think that's the site's fault, and not the surrounding circumstances? I don't.

Just saying -- what might have started as a way to sweep all that nastiness under the rug is increasingly entrenching and fostering it. And we do not have enough rug to keep it hidden anymore.

Threads like these are becoming way more common.

Kudos for keeping your diatribe under 6000 words

Old meme is old.
 
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I got called out in name in the thread for making it political: literally my only contribution was saying 63% of people dont approve of our response, the preeminent expert in infectious diseases doesnt approve and 3 major healthcare associations released a statement that said our response was a worst case scenario. Sorry I wasnt going to let redacted blow smoke up our asses and pretend we didnt drop the ball

The problem is that neither political side has any idea how many posts we have to delete for being political outside of the Political forum from both sides. It's pretty well equal, based off of almost 15 years of moderation. And, largely, neither political side is going to see what their own side is doing wrong. So, when someone sees the other side post something they shouldn't on the main board, they respond to it rather than reporting it, and then there are 10 people coming to the defense of each side and a political scrum ensues.

It would not be a problem to have COVID conversations outside of the cave, and they are NOT forbidden, if people could do the following:

- Refrain from posting political or politically biased information. (Err on the side of caution if you're not sure, or ask)
- Report posts that you see that violate this, rather than making snarky comments and spiraling the issue out of control
- Ideally, don't be a jerk to each other
 

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And yet oddly relevant.

Bragging about not being able or wanting to read 500 words -- roughly 2-3 paragraphs in an academic text, maybe two pages depending on the printing style -- is a good way to make yourself look really foolish on a website of (at least notional) college graduates. It is a stupid point, too. I doubt I have posted anything over 200-300 words on here in years.

I don't know about you, but I don't like to brag about my ignorance or use bluster instead of reason to address complex topics.
 

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Just saying -- what might have started as a way to sweep all that nastiness under the rug is increasingly entrenching and fostering it. And we do not have enough rug to keep it hidden anymore.

Threads like these are becoming way more common.



Old meme is old.
Tbh this looked like an obvious s***post thread to me that everyone somehow took way too seriously, but that's just me I guess.
 

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Tbh this looked like an obvious s***post thread to me that everyone somehow took way too seriously, but that's just me I guess.

"Good" trolling is effective not because of its randomness but because it finds the existing divisions in a community and exploits them.

There is clearly one here to exploit.
 

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Bragging about not being able or wanting to read 500 words -- roughly 2-3 paragraphs in an academic text, maybe two pages depending on the printing style -- is a good way to make yourself look really foolish on a website of (at least notional) college graduates. It is a stupid point, too. I doubt I have posted anything over 200-300 words on here in years.

I don't know about you, but I don't like to brag about my ignorance or use bluster instead of reason to address complex topics.
So you consider what you type to be academic text? Good grief.
 

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Bragging about not being able or wanting to read 500 words -- roughly 2-3 paragraphs in an academic text, maybe two pages depending on the printing style -- is a good way to make yourself look really foolish on a website of college graduates. It is a stupid point, too. I doubt I have posted anything over 200-300 words on here in years.

I don't know about you, but I don't like to brag about my ignorance or use bluster instead arguments to address complex topics.

Good grief, it’s a sports message board.

I already have a complicated job that makes my head spin. The last thing I want to do when I get home is read overly long posts that double as dissertations.
 

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So you consider what you type to be academic text? Good grief.

Nope. Not what I said. Of course, I know you are intentionally making a bad faith reading of what I posted... it's what you do.

You went to college (or so I assume).

You should be able to handle the equivalent of a few paragraphs from an academic text in length that are certainly not nearly as dense conceptually and with ideas given I am just pounding them out here.

Anything else is just your bluster about your ability to ignore complex ideas counter to your own. Not sure I'd brag about that.

Good grief, it’s a sports message board.

I already have a complicated job that makes my head spin. The last thing I want to do when I get home is read overly long posts that double as dissertations.

My thesis was ~130 pages (size 12, double-space, Times New Roman).

Seriously, what do you people read all day to make a few hundred words so intimidating to you? Twitter posts or something?
 

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Nope. Not what I said. Of course, I know you are intentionally making a bad faith reading of what I posted... it's what you do.

You went to college (or so I assume).

You should be able to handle the equivalent of a few paragraphs from an academic text in length that are certainly not nearly as dense conceptually and with ideas given I am just pounding them out here.

Anything else is just yo bluster about your ability to ignore complex ideas counter to your own. Not sure I'd brag about that.



My thesis was ~130 pages (size 12, double-space, Times New Roman).

Seriously, what do you people read all day to make a few hundred words so intimidating to you? Twitter posts or something?

You simply don’t get it.
 

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You simply don’t get it.

Oh, I do.

Complaining about post length (complaints that are antiquated, I took the constructive criticism about the worst of it to heart) is easier than addressing complex ideas about complex topics.

People like things to be simple. It's comforting.

Like you said, you already feel mentally exhausted.
 

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Oh, I do.

Complaining about post length (complaints that are antiquated, I took the constructive criticism about the worst of it to heart) is easier than addressing complex ideas about complex topics.

People like things to be simple. It's comforting.

Like you said, you already feel mentally exhausted.

Telling your customers they’re dumb when they aren’t receptive to your product is always a smart business move.