My point is that you're a moron if you honestly think there's any chance the MCU won't be around in a couple years.
Marvel Cinematic Universe
- Thread starter Triggermv
- Start date
If you don't personally have many Phase 4 films in your top 20, that's fine. I'm just saying that most people would. And I've enjoyed all of them quite a bit, but I know not many people would put Black Widow or Eternals in their top 20.
I do agree with your point about Marvel not really knowing how to make a TV show. It's a very different format and they haven't quite figured it out, especially in terms of pacing. I do disagree that all of them have hurt the brand, though. Loki, in particular, was outstanding, IMO. WandaVision was mostly great but was wobbly on the landing. Hawkeye was a lot of fun.
The Eternals would of been a much better fit for a series. With proper editing, I think it would of been a home run.
Easy there. Let's just scale it back some. Disagreeing is perfectly fine on here, but this forum has thrived due to everyone being respectful to one another.
I think Black Widow, if it was released in actual timeline order, could have been good.
I will say, I think previous phases have done a good job of releasing movies that even if they were not good, they still felt like they mattered to pushing the story forward. We still aren't sure where the story is going right now. That's hurting things too.
Let me actually do a thought experiment then. Let me put the Marvel projects in tiers for me personally at least:
Tier 1: The bangers
Iron Man (Phase 1)
Captain America: The First Avenger (Phase 1)
The Avengers (Phase 1)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Phase 2)
Guardians of the Galaxy (Phase 2)
Captain America: Civil War (Phase 3)
Doctor Strange (Phase 3)
Spider-Man: Homecoming (Phase 3)
Thor: Ragnarok (Phase 3)
Black Panther (Phase 3)
Avengers: Infinity War (Phase 3)
Avengers: Endgame (Phase 3)
Spider-Man: No Way Home (Phase 4)
Tier 2: Good stuff, but doesn't all hold together
Thor (Phase 1)
Iron Man 3 (Phase 2)
Avengers: Age of Ultron (Phase 2)
Ant Man (Phase 2)
GoTG Volume 2 (Phase 3)
Spider-Man: Far From Home (Phase 3)
Shang Chi (Phase 4)
Tier 3: It's fine
Iron Man 2 (Phase 1)
Ant Man and the Wasp (Phase 3)
Captain Marvel (Phase 3)
Black Widow (Phase 4)
Loki (Phase 4)
Dr. Strange and the MoM (Phase 4)
Ms. Marvel (Phase 4)
Tier 4: You'd have to pay me to watch it again
The Incredible Hulk (Phase 1)
Thor: The Dark World (Phase 2)
WandaVision (Phase 4)
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (Phase 4)
Eternals (Phase 4)
Hawkeye (Phase 4)
Moon Knight (Phase 4)
This was just putting them on a list and sorting them. I've got two phase 4 projects in my top 20. I've got nine Phase 4 offerings in my bottom 14. I mean you can quibble here or there about where I have things but I think it's pretty clear here.
Idk why people liked the first Captain movie? I thought it was boring. The Winter Soldier is great though.
Cool.
If Marvel continues this trend of "assembly line content" type shows, yes, they will drop significantly and there will be massive changes to these announced "phases." We already saw them drastically change Phase 4.
Remember this announcement?
Speaking of Chadwick Boseman. I can't see any other franchise just retiring a character after an actors sudden passing. Would they retire Superman or Batman if the actor playing those characters passes away? It just seems odd strategy for the future of the Black Panther story line.
I'm sure the character will be back at some point, this whole thing is going to have to be rebooted. Likely after Secret Wars.
So Boseman. Wife and I are going to try our hardest to avoid spoilers to who is going to be the new Black Panther, but it feels inevitable that it’s going to be everywhere. Just like Spider-Man and everyone knowing the previous 2 actors were in the movie.
Spoiler junk feels like it’ll be all over trailers, GMA, and every other Disney thing
I get that people wanted T'Challa to be recast... but Boseman is a pretty singular performer. I would not want to be the guy replacing him. The person from the cast they already have replacing him will be incredibly critiqued. It's just a really tough situation.
The obvious one is going to be his sister as she has been the Black Panther in the comics. The less obvious one seems to be hinted at in the trailer, but I'm curious as to how they would make that one happen.
Not a terrible list. I could squibble a bit about a few of them by shifting them a tier here and there, but not terrible. The only egregious mistake in my opinion if your tragic underrating of WandaVision. You know I'm a big WandaVision fan.
I agree it is a tough situation, but I still think T'Challa has more story to be told, so I really wish they would have recast.
Looks to me like they're doing it in a comic booky type way, at least I took that from the trailer.
I give them a good shot at pulling it off.
I know I'm on an island with WV. At best it's Tier 3 for me. I know I'm probably on an island with movies like Iron Man 3 which I have a real affinity for even though I understand it's not great. I literally ended up with 20 in the top two groups randomly.
I didn’t think Wandavision was anything special. I have no desire to watch it again.
Even though I'm a big advocate that they should have recast T'Challa and I have not been looking forward at all to Wakanda Forever, I will admit I thought that trailer was REALLY good. However, even though it was an amazing trailer, I'm still not convinced they went the best route yet. Only time will tell when we actually see the movie.
I'm a big fan of Captain America: The First Avenger, and find it to be one of the most underrated MCU movies out there. The trouble there is its a bit of a story of two halves. I find the first half of the movie to still be the best true origin story we've seen yet in the MCU. I LOVE the first half of that movie. However, I'd call the second half of the movie to be fairly mediocre. Regardless, the net effect is still a pretty good movie overall for me.
