You have a rather warped view of what constitutes "fun"...
But doing the following after you've left community college does make you a criminal...
lattimer and howard suspended indefinately
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You have a rather warped view of what constitutes "fun"...
But doing the following after you've left community college does make you a criminal...
- Never said I was innocent but I never got arrested either. I went out a lot. I did stupid things and I had plenty of fun. Still have fun. Also never beat the hell out of a kid just because he was a "yell leader."
- Lattimer didn't get in a fight in HS it was at JUCO. And he didn't get in a fight. He beat the **** out of someone because they were a "yell leader." The kid never threw a punch and tried to get away. Lattimer and his buddy **** pounded him breaking his jaw in two places. That is not getting in a fight. that is physically attacking someone for fun.
- I don't care if he stays on the team or not, gets suspended, misses spring ball.... CPR will make that decision based on the facts at hand. I certainly hope that Lattimer's status as a starter doesn't have anything to do witht he punishment.
I'm sure I'm in the minority (of people willing to say it at least) but I couldn't really care less if these guys lit a preschool on fire as long as when they go out on Saturday they:
1. Flatten suckas'
2. Bust skulls
3. Ultimately win
When it comes to athletics all I care about is winning. I'm not looking for a group of choir boys to lead the team out there, I want to see a football team.
1. Flatten suckas'
2. Bust skulls
3. Ultimately win
When it comes to athletics all I care about is winning. I'm not looking for a group of choir boys to lead the team out there, I want to see a football team.
Still a whole lot of assuming going on here... Which isn't any surprise...
But, do we know for a fact that Lattimer was on probation from the previous assault? The probation could have only been 1 year, and that is already lifted.
Nobody knows the exact story with the cops and what happened, and until he is formally charged with anything there is nothing to go on besides hearsay from various officials or press.
It seems like an open and shut instance that Howard will get a one game suspension for the OWI; I don't see him missing any practice or the spring game for that matter. Rather, just a one game suspension as that is the norm for college football and especially for first time offenders.
Lattimer is obviously a more difficult presumption at this point, as it all depends upon what he gets charged with. If the obstruction and assault sticks then I can really see a 3 game suspension being handed down. I don't see anyway he gets kicked off the team unless it is proven that he took swings at he cop or something far worse than pulling him off of someone else. Don't get me wrong, what he did was definitely wrong, but it definitely doesn't warrant being kicked off the team at this point. But, this likely puts him on a very short leash to where any additional problems and he's gone.
But, do we know for a fact that Lattimer was on probation from the previous assault? The probation could have only been 1 year, and that is already lifted.
Nobody knows the exact story with the cops and what happened, and until he is formally charged with anything there is nothing to go on besides hearsay from various officials or press.
It seems like an open and shut instance that Howard will get a one game suspension for the OWI; I don't see him missing any practice or the spring game for that matter. Rather, just a one game suspension as that is the norm for college football and especially for first time offenders.
Lattimer is obviously a more difficult presumption at this point, as it all depends upon what he gets charged with. If the obstruction and assault sticks then I can really see a 3 game suspension being handed down. I don't see anyway he gets kicked off the team unless it is proven that he took swings at he cop or something far worse than pulling him off of someone else. Don't get me wrong, what he did was definitely wrong, but it definitely doesn't warrant being kicked off the team at this point. But, this likely puts him on a very short leash to where any additional problems and he's gone.
You're the kind of meathead who needs to be rooting for Miami or USC then.
If winning at any cost is your mantra, then you chose a terrible team to root for.
Like our basketball team for instance. Composed of players kicked off of other teams. Iowa State isn't exactly a team that can bring in the perfect talent. If we want to get good you have to take the risks sometimes.
They are obviously trying to keep the players out of trouble here and help them for the future. I don't have a problem with that. Sounds like to me Lattimer in this instance was trying to keep his friend out of trouble too. I wasn't there, I could be wrong(again), but I would assume since the police were going after his friend and not him then he wasn't actually the one in trouble to begin with.
I think that article said it was May 30th when the first incident took place and it was 2 years probation so there wouldn't be any way he wouldn't be on probation.
I think of it more as having the outlook of the majority involved in the current landscape of college athletics. If you don't like it, it may be time to find another sport to follow because that view seems to be picking up more and more steam at a rapid pace.
If honor is the most important thing when it comes to athletics in general, we should really just stop keeping score and make sure to hand out participation ribbons to everyone that participated in that days events.
Winning is part of the American culture and it's not just for "meatheads".
I completely agree with the having to take risks part. What I disagree with is putting up with infractions while they are here. Royce for instance-I said that I wanted to take him but I wanted a short leash. I would feel the same here. I am all for second chances and if the debt to society was paid for previous transgressions, great, let them have their shot but at some point you have to draw a line. IMO, a line hasn't been drawn yet here. I'm not saying this is the instance to do it but I don't think I am out of line being slightly concerned with some of the events that have taken place recently and would prefer it slowed down a little. I know it won't ever completely stop and I don't expect everyone who has a run in with the law to be booted, but at some point with certain individuals, enough is enough.
In this case with Lattimer I think the details are so extremely important. If he simply pulled a cop off his buddy because he thought the cop was in the wrong, I think 2-3 games would suffice. I thought 1 game was enough for Sims. Now, if he made an aggressive move at the cop like tried to tackle or threw a punch or something, I guess I would say he probably needs to go. Like I said we know none of the details. Without those, this instance is very hard to judge in a way that's fair. Howard is different. That's pretty cut and dried.
The story I heard was he and his friend ran from the cops. His friend got caught and Lattimer came back and tried to help his buddy escape by yanking the cop off him. This came from someone who was working at the jail that night.
If this story is true, Lattimer is a retard 1) for being in that posistion 2) for running from the cops 3) for coming back after he already escaped
If this story is true, Lattimer is a retard 1) for being in that posistion 2) for running from the cops 3) for coming back after he already escaped
I dont have a definite opinion on the topic of institutions punishing students or athletes for what they do "outside of school grounds". But I tend to think we have rule of law and law enforcement for a reason. If you break the law, the justice system will punish you accordingly. I dont really see what that has to do with school or football. Sometimes I dont think there is a need for "additional" punishment. You are already punished/fined by the legal system, and maybe your parents too. You may also receive public scorn.
If the legal system thinks you should be in jail for your crime, then you obviously cannot go to class or participate in sports. But, if you are not in jail, then I dont see a need to be kicked off an athletic team or kicked out of school.
If the legal system thinks you should be in jail for your crime, then you obviously cannot go to class or participate in sports. But, if you are not in jail, then I dont see a need to be kicked off an athletic team or kicked out of school.
I agree there should be discipline. I just don't agree with the people saying he needs to be kicked off and Iowa State shouldn't tolerate that. He was brought in after doing something much worse than he did this last weekend. Now if details emerge that he assaulted the officer and/or someone else.. then yes, the punishment should be more severe.
Ugh, that just gives my Iowa friends something to make fun of me more for for being an Iowa State fan. Then again I can just give them a printed list of all the law offenders Iowa has had, but I don't think Park's Library has enough paper to print that lengthy list off 
Sadly though, they should have known better especially when it comes to a program like Iowa State that really needs the help from two talented players like them.
Sadly though, they should have known better especially when it comes to a program like Iowa State that really needs the help from two talented players like them.
I think its hilarious how a few people on here are taking such an extreme stance on "win and all costs".
It is not a requirement that you are a criminal or a troublemaker to be good at FB or sports in general.
I realize that these are kids and they will do some things that might lead to them getting into trouble. I do not think that every time one of our athletes names comes across the police blotter that they should automatically get booted from the team and from the sounds of it no one else here does either. As others have stated I personally have some standards that I hope our program follows such as dicipline for issues that are deemed serious. Even if this means that we lose a player that could contribute to the success of our teams.
Question for those of you who think that honor and integrity are not at all important, how much is too much? Where do we draw the line? Stealing cars? Rape? Murder?
Note: I AM NOT at all suggesting that what JL did is anywhere near the level of the crimes mentioned above I am just curious as to where peoples level of acceptance is on players with leagal issues.
It is not a requirement that you are a criminal or a troublemaker to be good at FB or sports in general.
I realize that these are kids and they will do some things that might lead to them getting into trouble. I do not think that every time one of our athletes names comes across the police blotter that they should automatically get booted from the team and from the sounds of it no one else here does either. As others have stated I personally have some standards that I hope our program follows such as dicipline for issues that are deemed serious. Even if this means that we lose a player that could contribute to the success of our teams.
Question for those of you who think that honor and integrity are not at all important, how much is too much? Where do we draw the line? Stealing cars? Rape? Murder?
Note: I AM NOT at all suggesting that what JL did is anywhere near the level of the crimes mentioned above I am just curious as to where peoples level of acceptance is on players with leagal issues.
I think if you committed rape or murder, you would be in prison and therefore unable to participate in athletic events.
Before knowing Jacob jumped and brutally beat a much weaker individual for no reason a few years ago at his community college, I would've said his assault on an officer deserved a minimum 2-3 game suspension. But after reading about that particular incident, I don't want him back. Just my opinion. The "win at all costs" crowd will disagree, I'm sure.
