lattimer and howard suspended indefinately

[jbhtexas]

So Lattimer is already on probation for assault, knows that any further brushes with the law would jeopardize his football scholarship and perhaps lead to jail time, as well as create a holy mess for his head coach and team. Yet, he goes out and puts himself into a situation where he has to be confronted by law enforcement. His actions suggest that playing college FB isn't really that high up on his priority list.

If you are already on probation, is it really that hard to keep yourself out of trouble?

 

[cytheguy]

Here comes the moral high horse brigade....

You're right. I should be perfectly fine with someone who brutally attacks a much weaker individual and who also assaults a police officer (who, by the way, may have been responding to a fight Lattimer was involved in). Yep, that's exactly who I want representing Iowa State.

 

[CykoAGR]

my 2k+ donation and $1500 for tickets says get his *** on the field.

From a fan's standpoint I want JL on the field as much as the next guy. Lord knows that we need every player we have, especially a starter who has shown promise.

On the other hand I am not willing to turn a blind eye to what has happened. I do not know for sure the specifics of the situation and it sounds like only a few people really do know what happened. I hope that CPR and staff evaluate the situation and enforce the proper punishment whatever it might be. If CPR feels that JL needs to be kicked off of the team (I hope this is not the case) then I will support this decision because I trust that he is doing what he feels is best for the program over the long run and not what will result in the most wins.

I think its funny how so many people on this board are quick to attack other schools and their diciplinary actions of players but when it hits closer to home they change their tune and try to downplay the issues that face ISU ( Palmer that is not a shot at you personally I just wanted to get that out).

In short I would rather play 2011 without JL if CPR thinks this is the right decision than try to sweep something under the rug. " Honor Before Victory"

 

[CloneIce]

"Honor before victory" is only said by the losers.

If CPR decides to give JL a one-game suspension instead of booting him off the team, I hardly see how it makes ISU less "honorable." The decision has absolutely nothing to do with "honor", the decision will be made by the staff based on what best for the football program and Lattimer as an individual student athlete.

 

[tazclone]

So Lattimer is already on probation for assault, knows that any further brushes with the law would jeopardize his football scholarship and perhaps lead to jail time, as well as create a holy mess for his head coach and team. Yet, he goes out and puts himself into a situation where he has to be confronted by law enforcement. His actions suggest that playing college FB isn't really that high up on his priority list.

If you are already on probation, is it really that hard to keep yourself out of trouble?

Yes,
signed Jason Berryman

 

[CloneIce]

I think its funny how so many people on this board are quick to attack other schools and their diciplinary actions of players but when it hits closer to home they change their tune and try to downplay the issues that face ISU ( Palmer that is not a shot at you personally I just wanted to get that out).

Those fans are stupid to begin with, I hardly think CPR can run his program by worrying about what some fans on the message board have been saying about Iowa.

 

[jamestaylor]

"Matus was able to get away, however, so Banks joined Lattimer in beating Shahankary, who was not resisting, Pickard said.

"Witnesses said he was struck 10 to 25 times and they body slammed him a couple of times," Pickard said. "He sustained a broken jaw in two places."

sounds like that meathead Eilers.

 

[LindenCy]

"Honor before victory" is only said by the losers.

If CPR decides to give JL a one-game suspension instead of booting him off the team, I hardly see how it makes ISU less "honorable." The decision has absolutely nothing to do with "honor", the decision will be made by the staff based on what best for the football program and Lattimer as an individual student athlete.

Disagree with the first bold, but the second bolded statement seems to be ignored by most here. If Lattimer is deemed to need to be kicked off the team to allow him to grow as a person, and that is best for him, it's plain selfish to want him to play against that interest. That said, the facts aren't out there yet, but people are spinning this in all directions.

I do hope this ends up being nothing and he plays, but there is a lot of rationalizing going on in both this thread and the one previously.

 

[CloneIce]

Disagree with the first bold, but the second bolded statement seems to be ignored by most here. If Lattimer is deemed to need to be kicked off the team to make him grow as a person, and that is best for him, it's plain selfish to want him to play.

I do hope this ends up being nothing and he plays, but there is a lot of rationalizing going on in both this thread and the one previously.

Nothing wrong with rationalizing, its certainly needed on this message board, considering a portion of our fan base on this message board is very irrational and always immediately start posting about how the coaches must kick players off the team after ever single arrest. It never fails, no matter how many examples of our discipline code they have, they always immediately assume the player will be kicked off the team (we still have people who do this for OWIs even though years and years of data show that an OWI = 1 game suspension for football).

I trust CPR to do what is best for the program and the individual student athlete. Its obvious he is not like some of our fans, who feel our discipline should be based on "sending messages", or who want us to have the toughest discipline in the Big 12 so they can use that as an excuse when they argue with their Iowa friends. He has more information than we do, is closer to the players and the situation... oh yeah, and he is a professional football coach in charge of leading our program. He'll do the right thing, he's a smart coach and much closer to the situation. Whatever CPR decides I will be behind it.

 

[LindenCy]

Yeah, I think PR will do the right thing and this will end up fine, but surprised (maybe not) at the extreme views.

 

[RustShack]

If this is his first incident at while at ISU I can't see him getting kicked off the team at all.. especially if its just, pulling a cop off his friend. Unless they told him coming to ISU that hes already on a short lease, but I doubt it. Also it might not of been him who was in the fight, he could of been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe someone was picking a fight with him for being a football player. Maybe it was his friend that someone started a fight with and Lattimer was trying to get him out of there.

Don't act like the cop was being Mr. Perfect and handling the arrest right, odds are they weren't going about it the right way and/or going after the wrong guy.

 

[4Cyclones]

Nothing wrong with rationalizing, its certainly needed on this message board, considering a portion of our fan base on this message board is very irrational and always immediately start posting about how the coaches must kick players off the team after ever single arrest. It never fails, no matter how many examples of our discipline code they have, they always immediately assume the player will be kicked off the team (we still have people who do this for OWIs even though years and years of data show that an OWI = 1 game suspension for football).

I trust CPR to do what is best for the program and the individual student athlete. Its obvious he is not like some of our fans, who feel our discipline should be based on "sending messages", or who want us to have the toughest discipline in the Big 12 so they can use that as an excuse when they argue with their Iowa friends. He has more information than we do, is closer to the players and the situation... oh yeah, and he is a professional football coach in charge of leading our program. He'll do the right thing, he's a smart coach and much closer to the situation. Whatever CPR decides I will be behind it.

+1

I think its ironic that people complain about a few kids getting into a little trouble, and then also compain about win and losses. Football players may not be the same as some other sports' athletes. The same 'edge' or 'attitude' that makes them competitive on the fb field, sometimes carries over, off of the field. I am not condoning these acts, if there is any / much truth behind them, but football athletes sometimes have more aggressive demeanors. Football is / can be a violent sport, and it takes a special player to realize and control the difference. Now that we have found a glimmer of light in the tunnel, I just hope that we evaluate this situation, and do the right thing for all parties involved.

Again, not condoning it, but perhaps the best thing is for CPR to take the kid under his wing, rather than boot him to the curb (yes, I know about probation and 2nd chance). CPR is a good man and coach, and if he has any say in the matter, I will stick behind his decision.

 

[RustShack]

Ohs noes! We have an aggressive player on defense! Kick him off the team! Lets go after *****'s who are afraid to hit! Screw the players it takes to be good!

 

[tazclone]

Quick question...if Royce White did what Lattimer did would people think he should be kicked off? Because, IMO, what Lattimer did prior to coming to ISU is worse than what White did prior to coming to ISU. Beating the hell out of a kid for ne reason is pretty crappy.

 

[tazclone]

Ohs noes! We have an aggressive player on defense! Kick him off the team! Lets go after *****'s who are afraid to hit! Screw the players it takes to be good!

I think the SI artcile that listed the top 25 and number of arrests has about 15 examples of how you can win without haveing a bunch of criminals on your teams.

Your assumption that it takes criminals to win is incorrect.

In the end CPR needs to gather all the facts and make the decision. Lattimer has a prior record of violence so that should be consisdered. Also, people looking fo a one game need to look at what Aaron Moore got for a suspension. Pretty sure it was more than 1 game and if Lattimer was invovled in a fight then Iwould expect more than one game

 

[RustShack]

No, neither should be kicked off. It doesn't matter what he did in the past.

I mean this one could get interesting since he was on probation... but he didn't really do anything bad. He wasn't busted for drugs, he didn't beat someone up. He pulled someone off a friend.

 

[RustShack]

I think the SI artcile that listed the top 25 and number of arrests has about 15 examples of how you can win without haveing a bunch of criminals on your teams.

Your assumption that it takes criminals to win is incorrect.

In the end CPR needs to gather all the facts and make the decision. Lattimer has a prior record of violence so that should be consisdered. Also, people looking fo a one game need to look at what Aaron Moore got for a suspension. Pretty sure it was more than 1 game and if Lattimer was invovled in a fight then Iwould expect more than one game

I said aggressive, I didn't say criminal. But I understand in you're perfect little world you never went out and had fun while you were in school and you perfectly innocent. Sorry but one fight in HS doesn't make you a criminal.

 

[CykoAGR]

]]"Honor before victory" is only said by the losers. [/B[/B]]

If CPR decides to give JL a one-game suspension instead of booting him off the team, I hardly see how it makes ISU less "honorable." The decision has absolutely nothing to do with "honor", the decision will be made by the staff based on what best for the football program and Lattimer as an individual student athlete.

I disagree withe the bolded, I dont personally know any ISU FB players but since they pay homage to this plaque before taking the field I woul guess that at least a few of them would disagree as well.

I probably should have been more clear stating that I do not want JL to be kicked off of the team. That is NOT my hopes at all. I will be perfectly happy if he plays for ISU in 2011, because I have faith that CPR will do what he thinks is best for JL and the team. If JL doesnt play I will be dissapointed that he was not able to stay out of trouble to help his team BUT I will support the decision by CPR because he will be doing what he thinks is best for JL and the team.

I am not a moral high horse person and I dont beleive that we should use our student athletes to "send a message". I do think that as a staff and a program ISU must have rules and guidelines that they follow to discipline players and they should stick to that whether it is a starter or a back-up that will never see the field.

 

[tazclone]

+1

I think its ironic that people complain about a few kids getting into a little trouble, and then also compain about win and losses. Football players may not be the same as some other sports' athletes. The same 'edge' or 'attitude' that makes them competitive on the fb field, sometimes carries over, off of the field. I am not condoning these acts, if there is any / much truth behind them, but football athletes sometimes have more aggressive demeanors. Football is / can be a violent sport, and it takes a special player to realize and control the difference. Now that we have found a glimmer of light in the tunnel, I just hope that we evaluate this situation, and do the right thing for all parties involved.

Again, not condoning it, but perhaps the best thing is for CPR to take the kid under his wing, rather than boot him to the curb (yes, I know about probation and 2nd chance). CPR is a good man and coach, and if he has any say in the matter, I will stick behind his decision.

19 teams on this list http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/the_bonus/02/27/cfb.crime/index.html?eref=sihp average fewer arrests/year than ISU under CPR. I think it is fair to say that you don't have to have guys that break the law in order to win.

In hind sight, most of the guys that have been arrested are from CPR's first class and were late signers...Moore, Sims, Tau'fo'ou, Lattimer.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I said aggressive, I didn't say criminal. But I understand in you're perfect little world you never went out and had fun while you were in school and you perfectly innocent. Sorry but one fight in HS doesn't make you a criminal.

I'm not going to quote all of them but you have made a slew of ridiculous statements in a very short period of time. Fun is not beating up someone you know you will beat. If it is, there's somehthing wrong. He also wasn't in high school when this happened. He was at a Junoir COllege and was supposed to be an adult. I'm not oging to sit here and crucify the kid because I wasn't there the past weekend. The facts are the facts though. He admitted to beating up a yell leader less than 1 year ago. He was found guilty and was put on probation. Those are facts. What you have said are not. Some is terribly inaccurate and some is pure assumption with absolutely no backing. This isn't Aaron Moore getting in his first ever fight. This isn't David Sims stealing something. This is a little different.