ISU unranked in AP poll
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PSU. Permanent top ten, almost never beat ranked teams. They don’t beat top 25 or top 10 any more than ISU.
And Boise State should have been nowhere near their ranking. PSU got gifted a trip to the semis vs two extremely overrated teams in Boise and SMU last year.
It’s not like our 3 p4 wins are elite, but none of them are bottom feeders either. If I was to criticize us it’d be lack of true p4 road game and lack of top ten team. A lot of good teams would go 2-1 against those three especially if it were two rivalry games.
PSU rarely loses to bad teams, loses close to good teams, and almost never beats a great team. Lots of other programs could replicate their results yet always be 10-25 rank rather than their constant 3-10 rank.
We're not necessarily mad privileged teams receive privilege; we're particularly mad that teams like Indiana are considered "privileged".
Absolutely agree the problem was never with the BCS computer rankings, they were the best you were ever going to get. The problem was there were only 2 teams and often there were at least a handful of teams that were pretty even at the top. An expanded playoff of 4 or more teams with the BCS would be the best of both worlds. The current committee is a joke.
Much of this is true but they do have at least one ranked win in each of the last 5 non-Covid seasons, with multiple ranked wins, including top-10 wins, in three of the last 5 non-Covid seasons.
Hell, the very year that created the demand for the playoff, 2011, Okie State would have been in with the computers and was kept out because of human polls.
And somehow the wisdom from that was to create an all-human system
Ok, so are we back to only counting it as a ranked win if the opponent finishes ranked? I tried doing that and was told no, it's if they're ranked when you play, like ISU v. KSU this year. Because if it's if they're ranked when you play, they have a lot more than that.
PSU beat #2 tOSU in 2016, who finished #6.
EDIT*** - PSU also beat Wisconsin in 2016 who was ranked #6 at the time they played and finished #9.
EDITEDIT*** - PSU beat Washington in 2017 who was ranked #11 when they played and finished #16.
EDITEDITEDIT*** - Ooooops, saw the dude was referring to top-10 wins, disregard EDITEDIT***
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I'd have no real issue with how AP voters limit results for Big 12 and advance B1G and SEC prospects, as others have said it's a ridiculous system to begin with. However, the powers that be want to launder those AP rankings into more guaranteed spots in a playoff that would result in major financial implications for the sport so it's important to push back.
None of it matters if Big 12 teams fall on their face when they do appear in the playoff, though. Even if it means playing on the road on short rest, you can't beat the narrative unless you beat some of those teams.
None of it matters if Big 12 teams fall on their face when they do appear in the playoff, though. Even if it means playing on the road on short rest, you can't beat the narrative unless you beat some of those teams.
You're really leaning on them beating Boise State and SMU too hard. Unless I'm missing another top 10 win? It's been a looooooooooong time since they beat the top teams in their own conference and a team that gets ranked 5th-10th every single year should do that frequently.
SMU is 4-11 in their last 15 games against the Big 12 current membership. Probably one of the biggest frauds ever last year.
For the record I'm not saying they suck, they do a good job of beating teams they should, but they are overrated most years because they just never win the big games in their own league yet are constantly 5-10 rank.
You’re really doing some campaigning here for Franklin lol.
So when they do beat teams ranked in the top-10 we can just disregard if we don't agree with the ranking?
And yeah as I pointed out they had two top-10 wins in 2016 alone.
8 with the old BCS ranking would have been perfect but I'd have taken 4.
There have been a few times where a #5 or #6 team entering post season or bowls had a legit NC argument resume. There has never been a time the #9 team could argue it is the best team in the country on resume. 8 is the number that always includes every deserving team historically wither it's a straigh top 8 or 4-6 auto bids and 2-4 at large.
I was talking about their top wins vs power conferences. Boise State isn't that.
SMU shouldn't be that, the Big 12 said no thanks to them because they couldn't even beat the Houston/BYU/UCF/Cincy type of teams we added. Then they ran through a pathetic ACC last year...while losing at home to Big 12 AGAIN...and the idiotic committee thought they were better than Arizona State, Alabama and BYU who beat them on the road.
Your entire argument hangs on a #10 team that bought their way into P4, gets absolutely destroyed against the Big 12 almost every time, and isn't a conference rival.
Penn State simply has not gotten it done against top teams, not for a team everybody pencils in the top ten every single year. They lose a lot of close ones though so a PSU cheerleader like you can love that.
What’s insane is even with their INSANE home field advantage/environment they still can’t ever get it done.
