Interesting Article About Raiding the PAC-12

[clonehoodie]

I refuse to watch us beg to join the Big10 again.

The Big12 can stand on its own.

Unless, of course, Oklahoma and Texas get tired of being screwed every year in football.

 

[Jeffrey Scott]

Years ago I moved to New England for a job and now my wife has a thriving business here, so we are staying. I record 9 p.m. Eastern time BB starts because I'm getting older and want to go to bed by 9:30 p.m. I buy season tickets to football games and fly to Iowa to watch games in person when my schedule permits.

Our area may approve moving to Atlantic Coast time permanently which means a 10:00 p.m. start for BB games. I can accept that because it comes with staying on that time all year, no more changing our clocks in the Spring and Fall. This means there is the potential of the Big 12 playing across 5 time zones in the United States. In my view, ISU and all of the Big 12 schools may want to consider this possibility and take a hard look at involving west coast schools.

Does the possibility of playing across 5 time zones help or hurt the television revenue argument? I don't know.

I'd like to suggest the Big 12 move cautiously on this. As a previous poster stated, the bulk of the U.S. population lives in the Eastern and Central time zones.

 

[jbhtexas]

What is the value of ISU or Texas Tech to the contract? That is what we should be asking, is it equal to Texas or OU? Not even in the ballpark. Same would hold true in the Pac 12, USC, Oregon, Washington are worth more in revenue than Cal, Oregon St. and Washington St. It sucks but that is where we are at.

Would adding 4 to 6 premium teams from the Pac 12 bring the revenue up to equal of the Big 10 or SEC, I doubt it. But it would ensure that ISU would be in a P5 conference, with more money to work with that we now enjoy. To me, that is worth a couple of 9:00 PM start times each year, plus we get to see those schools in JTS.

Your argument is based on two assumptions that aren't necessarily true: 1) Adding more teams brings stability, and 2) adding more teams brings more money. I showed you above the challenge of increasing the school payout when adding teams.

 

[Nolaeer]

It would be stupid to expand to the left coast. The reason the PAC is in trouble is no one cares about football, at least the college version, out there. They also play games that end well after midnight for most of the country.

Big 12 will expand, but it will be east. The SEC has wanted 4 4 team pods(like the NFL has) ever since it added Mizzou and aggies). SEC and BIG money is far, far higher than the ACC, and the schools they will want are not in the Big 12.

SEC will steal VT and NC. state, so they can expand into 2 new huge markets, while the BIG takes UVA and UNC to hit 16.

The Big 12 will take 6 0r 7 from the pilfered ACC.

May be time to boot Baylor and add 7 ACC schools:

Clemson, FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest(may be required for WF to have a landing spot), and Pitt. Louisville would be in over WF if WF isnt forced on us.
Obviously clemson and FSU would have a lot to say on what teams we took.

FWIW, Neal Brown's 2020 class was the highest rated class WVU has ever had. And he was there less than a year when he put it together.

WVU just got a hard commit from the 5th highest rated offensive tackle in country, who had offers from Alabama, UGA, Ohio State, Tenn, Notre Dame, Penn State, and more. Even before he committed last night a national recruiting analyst said WVU was punching much higher than it's weight in that many of the country's top recruits had wvu in their top team list. Article noted it would be interesting to see if neal brown could land one or more of these program changing players.

Kstate is lighting up recruiting too.
Big 12 is going to get tougher, and the level of coaching in this conference is ridiculously good.

 

[cyfanatic13]

It would be stupid to expand to the left coast. The reason the PAC is in trouble is no one cares about football, at least the college version, out there. They also play games that end well after midnight for most of the country.

Big 12 will expand, but it will be east. The SEC has wanted 4 4 team pods(like the NFL has) ever since it added Mizzou and aggies). SEC and BIG money is far, far higher than the ACC, and the schools they will want are not in the Big 12.

SEC will steal VT and NC. state, so they can expand into 2 new huge markets, while the BIG takes UVA and UNC to hit 16.

The Big 12 will take 6 0r 7 from the pilfered ACC.

May be time to boot Baylor and add 7 ACC schools:

Clemson, FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest(may be required for WF to have a landing spot), and Pitt. Louisville would be in over WF if WF isnt forced on us.
Obviously clemson and FSU would have a lot to say on what teams we took.

I’m shocked a WVU fan would have this take

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Your argument is based on two assumptions that aren't necessarily true: 1) Adding more teams brings stability, and 2) adding more teams brings more money. I showed you above the challenge of increasing the school payout when adding teams.

You are correct just enlarging the league by adding teams does not bring stability, so schools like Houston, BYU, Boise St, do not offer that. But adding schools like USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington do offer that needed stability. One of the complaints from OU was they had few marque games to play, more than just UT. Adding those schools would allow that to happen.

Unless you are a TV executive, you have no clue what the value of adding the Pac 12 would be, they may bring in more than expected. But its silly to think that ISU's share would go down.

As the original article pointed out, there was a time when the Big East and the ACC we equal in being the best BB conferences in the country. The ACC commish realized that if this continued his league could be passed over and destroyed. So he acted and enticed Miami, VT and FSU to leave the Big East, that move was the start of the end for the Big East conference.
The Big 12 can do the same to the Pac 12 when the TV contracts run out in 2023/24.

 

[AuH2O]

I really enjoy the current 10 team set up of the Big 12 and if ISU was guaranteed it wouldn't change I would be all for staying with it.

But....
The B12 should do it's due diligence and if adding 2-4-6 west coast schools would make the Big 12 as the premiere conference and provide ISU Big 10 money or more plus a seat at the final Big Boy table for reasonable future I would get behind it, even if it meant watching ISU games start at 11PM once in awhile.

Reality is even though the Athletic article is written with the Big 12 as the predator, I am sure the PAC 12 now sensing weakness could just as likely try to restart talks with UT/OU giving them what they didn't last time to bring them under their umbrella and destabilize ISU's situation.
While ISU football/basketball is in a much better situation nationally than it was 10-15 years ago, it is far from a given that ISU would easily find a good landing spot if that were to occur.

The PAC 12 could try to poach UT and OU just like a wounded zebra can try to hunt a lion.

PAC is in terrible shape. They can't and wouldn't offer UT and OU any more power than they already have in the Big12, and the PAC is in bad shape financially.

 

[isucy86]

Hey, CF braintrust, will the possibility of athletes being paid for likeness, etc. swing the pendulum back in favor of big market west coast teams? Will it happen soon enough to quell the disintegration?

I am not a huge fan of paying players because I feel it makes it easier for players to receive other less legal payments.

That said, I don't see player likeness payments being a competive advantage for big markets. In the end only a few players will benefit whether at ISU or USC. If players can benefit from things like personal appearances, autographs, etc. then that opens income for more players, but I think the payments will be minimal whether in LA or Des Moines.

A Big12/Pac12 merger makes a lot of sense under the current 4 team playoff format.

But I foresee more of a wholeistic approach. The P5 will work to divide up teams when a decision is made to move forward with an 8 or 16 team playoff. Something like 8 geographic based divisions with 10 teams.

 

[CyCrazy]

It would be stupid to expand to the left coast. The reason the PAC is in trouble is no one cares about football, at least the college version, out there. They also play games that end well after midnight for most of the country.

Big 12 will expand, but it will be east. The SEC has wanted 4 4 team pods(like the NFL has) ever since it added Mizzou and aggies). SEC and BIG money is far, far higher than the ACC, and the schools they will want are not in the Big 12.

SEC will steal VT and NC. state, so they can expand into 2 new huge markets, while the BIG takes UVA and UNC to hit 16.

The Big 12 will take 6 0r 7 from the pilfered ACC.

May be time to boot Baylor and add 7 ACC schools:

Clemson, FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest(may be required for WF to have a landing spot), and Pitt. Louisville would be in over WF if WF isnt forced on us.
Obviously clemson and FSU would have a lot to say on what teams we took.

FWIW, Neal Brown's 2020 class was the highest rated class WVU has ever had. And he was there less than a year when he put it together.

WVU just got a hard commit from the 5th highest rated offensive tackle in country, who had offers from Alabama, UGA, Ohio State, Tenn, Notre Dame, Penn State, and more. Even before he committed last night a national recruiting analyst said WVU was punching much higher than it's weight in that many of the country's top recruits had wvu in their top team list. Article noted it would be interesting to see if neal brown could land one or more of these program changing players.

Kstate is lighting up recruiting too.
Big 12 is going to get tougher, and the level of coaching in this conference is ridiculously good.

This isn't going to happen. We will also not "raid" the Pac 12.