How much does a program effect a prospects chance of being drafted?

[SpokaneCY]

Lima is a 3rd rounded at worst if he plays for Iowa and has the same performance.

There’s a bias against ISU and I don’t know how to break it. Thought the success of Montgomery and Lazard would help more.

Can someone sum up the study because it seems to me, we've had average or worse coaching for so long that not only did we not recruit well, but we also didn't develop our kids well. Is it supposed to surprise us that programs that have had long term success attract better athletes, can provide those athletes better coaching, and have better support services for those athletes and that those athletes have better opportunities to play professionally? I'm not convinced we're being screwed but I am convinced we haven't been good enough to get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[SpokaneCY]

That is a BS reason. I mean I know it happens and that is the bias. That doesn’t mean it is a legitimate criteria for drafting someone.

All things being equal, you take the guy from the more established and successful program - always. All things being equal...

 

[SpokaneCY]

Lima is a 3rd rounded at worst if he plays for Iowa and has the same performance.

There’s a bias against ISU and I don’t know how to break it. Thought the success of Montgomery and Lazard would help more.

If "we" think our players are better on a national scale than the draft shows, why haven't we won more games with those guys?

 

[SpokaneCY]

Ohio State had a brand new coach what this year or last year and still sent 10 players this year. It's the name .

It's the name they developed over decades of continual excellence. Kids are going to OSU because it's OSU and OSU hasn't skipped a beat with their performance. Unlike Nebraska.

 

[Cytown12]

How does Kansas always get people drafted it always blows my mind how they have people drafted and not us

 

[dualthreat]

All things being equal, you take the guy from the more established and successful program - always. All things being equal...

Like the kid from Valdosta State or University of Phoenix Online

 

[RustShack]

The NFL takes talent from wherever they can find it.

 

[ArgentCy]

Look at the recruiting ranking for the last 20 years, OSU is generally in the top 10. Every school loves the story of the unranked or low ranked player that becomes a star, ISU has a couple of them with players like Rose and Montgomery. But those kids are the exceptions and not the rule. The odds that a 4 or 5 star recruit is drafted is just much higher than a 3 start.

It all comes down to bringing in the best recruits that a school can get. I saw a study earlier this year and they were talking about how many 4 and 5 star recruits were on the top ten roster. Alabama had 11 5 star and 58 4 star recruits. ISU has 4 total 4 stars on their roster.

Its a system that is set up between the haves and the have nots, and we are a have not.

https://247sports.com/season/2019-football/collegeteamtalentcomposite/

This graph or model STARTS with the 247 ranking. Look where a school like Auburn lies. They still get good ranked classes. These Big X schools are getting a bump above and beyond the recruits ability.

 

[tolfbfan]

The NFL draft really just confounds me. You watch some of the guys that get picked and look at guys like Lima or Knipfel who don't even get a sniff. Rather draft a kid out of a D3 school than a All Big-12 performer. I just don't get it.

Measurables and need?

 

[tolfbfan]

Toledo was # 30. They get a lot of Ohio players and they seem to do well on draft day and usually get 3-4 free agent signees each year. I believe ISU will slowly improve in a list like this. I believe there are at least 3-4 current players [maybe more] who will be drafted when they leave ISU.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

This graph or model STARTS with the 247 ranking. Look where a school like Auburn lies. They still get good ranked classes. These Big X schools are getting a bump above and beyond the recruits ability.

Without a doubt the best college football recruiting area lies smack dab in the center of the SEC conference. No one is doubting that idea, what the graph does show is the schools that are getting the best recruits year in and year out also are the ones winning the most and getting more kids into the NFL.

You want to win more games, get better recruits, its that simple. Right now ISU cannot control our own state in recruiting, lets start there.

 

[ArgentCy]

All things being equal, you take the guy from the more established and successful program - always. All things being equal...

Explain. TCU's ranking. Or do you not believe Gary Patterson knows how to develope talent

 

[SpokaneCY]

Like the kid from Valdosta State or University of Phoenix Online

I think the Phoenix Online team has a chance to be virtually one of their best! Great chance we see them at the EBowl this year.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Explain. TCU's ranking. Or do you not believe Gary Patterson knows how to develope talent

How do you explain Michigan had their entire OL drafted? Or TCU with their record this year? Or LSU / Clemson where everyone is drafted AND they had great success.

Great players can be found in every program. But MORE great players can be found at the consistently great programs. Very few teams win according to schedule - looking at you TCU and Alabama.

I don't understand the orginal study and how (or if) it conclusively shows ISU athletes are overtly DEselected in the NFL draft because from my POV, longer term draft success as a program has to correlate to longer term success as a program which SHOULD be tied to competence of the coaching staff. I'm not a student of the draft, but I'm not seeing legions of ISU football players thru the years that were missed by the NFL especially in this age of technology and communication.

Again I don't understand the study because intuitively ISU SHOULD have fewer players in the league simply based on recruiting decades of 2 star kids with below average coaching resulting in really bad on-field success.