Here comes the doomsday thread, sorry

[1238576073jb]

The more significant part of the proposed rules that no one seems to be discussing here yet is that schools would be able to directly pay players for NIL.

Correct - the NCAA wants to be hands off - Baker just bent over & said "you guys do whatever you want, we just want a cut of the pie"

 

[NetflixAndClone]

Hopefully they go take the top 30 schools and they can go **** themselves and ISU gets in the next league with the next 30-40 power schools and we can be a power there. I've grown really excited about the Big 12 and how even the playing field is. I used to want to be in the Big10 but honestly that sounds not fun. I have zero envy of the MN, Illinois, Indianas and heck even Iowas of the world. They have almost no hope of ever winning anything meaningful

Yeah this could be controversial to say, but I'd rather Iowa State be towards the top of the 2nd league instead at the bottom as a punching bag in the top league.

I like going to Iowa State game no matter who they play. I don't need Michigan, Texas, Florida, and etc to convince me to put my butt in my seat. I just don't see Iowa State being consistent contender in a league that will be dominated by NIL spending wars.

 

[BCClone]

Is he counting the band?

Is band a sport?

 

[KnappShack]

Is band a sport?

If golf is a sport then so is band.

1 vote band as a sport

 

[MeanDean]

Only way to fight this is apathy. Don't watch anything but ISU/Big 12. Turn off ESPN, stop clicking and consuming clickbait meant to feed the algorithm. Pick up some new hobbies so your default habit isn't scrolling through useless sports news, paying the very people who are hell bent on destroying the sport for their own profit.

I don't think I watched anyone but Iowa State this year and I can't say I miss it.

Yes, I've long been fed-up with sEcSPteN

 

[1238576073jb]

Not to go all commie/socialist here, but could the NCAA require a percentage (say 5%) of all school's NIL/atlhetic donations be collected into a pool and evenly split to participating/qualifying athletes. That would do a lot to level the playing field.

We can't be the only fans tired of Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Clemson, tOSU, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon etc always in the catbird seat every f'in' year.

This is meant to do the exact opposite - the Saturday AM shows will only be about these teams - you will never hear Kirk Herbstreit mention Iowa State ever again - we will be on Paramount+ - these teams will be on TV every Saturday nationwide

 

[Letterkenny]

At this point, I'd prefer the SEC and Big Ten go off on their own and form their semi-pro league. Eventually no one will watch it, because no one watched semi-pro sports. Leave the rest of us alone to continue playing college sports.

 

[BCClone]

If golf is a sport then so is band.

1 vote band as a sport

Golf you are competing against others, is our band competing?

 

[cyfan92]

Create a Champions league for the super elite schools. Let them go crazy against each other and maybe play non-con games against the rest of us..

I'm more interested in long-term partnerships and games with like minded institutions..

Give me games against the remaining Big 8 schools, and geographic teams. Then we can do a playoff like FCS to determine our own champion.

2 non-con buy games, 8 conference games, the last week of conference play is a playoff within your conference against all teams to help determine playoff seeding.

 

[AppleCornCy]

Any breakaway is going to include more than just the top brands. Sure, those schools have a lot of fans, but Joe Blow from West Lafayette, Indiana doesn’t care about Michigan vs Ohio State if Purdue is down an entire NCAA division from them.

I think the breakaway is the P5. Maybe a few P5s decide they can’t/don’t want to make the commitment and a few G5 teams decide they can.

I feel like there are already about four levels of FBS. There’s the Big Ten and SEC going forward, then the Big 12 and ACC, then the American and Pac-12/MWC thing, then the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

At this point, I'd prefer the SEC and Big Ten go off on their own and form their semi-pro league. Eventually no one will watch it, because no one watched semi-pro sports. Leave the rest of us alone to continue playing college sports.

Semipro teams don't have giant alumni bases with millions of dollars at their disposal across the country.

We can deny it all we want but that league ends up getting huge numbers of eyeballs and TV revenue to match what they're doing in house.

 

[1238576073jb]

The one silver-lining is that some of those "Super League" schools are going to have to get used to losing on the reg - they can't all be 12-0, 11-1 every year - some of these fanbases are going to have to accept that they're the "Iowa State of the Super League" & some of them are going to have to accept that they are the "Vanderbilt of the Super League" (& Vanderbilt will not be the "Vanderbilt of the Super League" b/c Vanderbilt may be a part of the party right now, but they won't be allowed to make the jump... )

So, Longhorns - get ready for a lot of 4-8 seasons

 

[CascadeClone]

messy for sure

i still don't see how the P2 can break off with 20ish teams and be all that successful. to me it would get watered down quickly with the same exact teams doing the same exact thing year in and year out.

they need the others, imo.

if they want to go ahead and do that then i'd be fine being in a league with 40-50 other schools and doing our own thing. there is still value there.

It already is, at the top.

In 10 years, 8 teams have 82.5% of the CFP appearances. (Bama, Clem, OSU, Okla, GA, Mich, Wash, ND)
Add in LSU, Oregon, FSU, and Texas, you are up to 92.5%

 

[Sigmapolis]

Dude, this not a P4 situation - this is P2, SEC & B10 - Iowa State is not going to be a part of this - this is going to be maybe 40 schools, likely less - this is going to be a very lucrative NFL farm system - under the guise of "amateurism" b/c the casual fan just sees colleges & kids & doesn't know or care about the billions of dollars being pumped thru "college" football even today

Okay fine -- I'll watch Iowa State at whatever level it is with its peers.

All they've done is cost themselves somebody who might have been willing to watch "national" games and a playoff and a national championship because my team doesn't even have a distant involvement.

They're going to learn the hard way that college sports aren't like the NFL. NFL viewers will watch whoever is on and the good matchups even if their particular team sucks. College fans are the opposite. I want my Cyclones even if they suck and couldn't care less about the "elites" of the sport nationally.

The Super League thinks it's going to concentrate the number of eyeballs on a smaller number of teams. Instead, all it is going to do is reduce the number of eyeballs turning out for the sport.

 

[CoachHines3]

It already is, at the top.

In 10 years, 8 teams have 82.5% of the CFP appearances. (Bama, Clem, OSU, Okla, GA, Mich, Wash, ND)
Add in LSU, Oregon, FSU, and Texas, you are up to 92.5%

Good point..

Probably won't get any better with the 12 team playoff, either. I think every team in the Top 12 right now is in the Big 10 or SEC for next year.

So, as an Iowa State fan.. why wouldn't I enjoy maybe a new division below the P2 and we can do our own thing? I think you could eventually start enjoying that.

 

[Mr Janny]

Semipro teams don't have giant alumni bases with millions of dollars at their disposal across the country.

We can deny it all we want but that league ends up getting huge numbers of eyeballs and TV revenue to match what they're doing in house.

This. A league made up only of big brands with existing built in fan bases is going to draw plenty of eyeballs. And the sports betting aspect will continue to draw attention from outside those fan bases as well.

If you're banking on this thing failing, you're probably going to be disappointed. The viewers will be there.

 

[KnappShack]

Golf you are competing against others, is our band competing?

**** yeah they are. For our hearts and minds.

I don't play golf against other people. It's an internal contest to see how well I can play with 10 beers in me. A fine fine sport.

 

[JM4CY]

Golf you are competing against others, is our band competing?

The Iowa band has competed against our fans before.

 

[85clone]

So, to play along, we've got 450 "student athletes" @ $30,000 per year.
That's $13,500,000 per year into Educational Trust Funds. Do I understand this correctly?

 

[CascadeClone]

Any breakaway is going to include more than just the top brands. Sure, those schools have a lot of fans, but Joe Blow from West Lafayette, Indiana doesn’t care about Michigan vs Ohio State if Purdue is down an entire NCAA division from them.

I think the breakaway is the P5. Maybe a few P5s decide they can’t/don’t want to make the commitment and a few G5 teams decide they can.

I feel like there are already about four levels of FBS. There’s the Big Ten and SEC going forward, then the Big 12 and ACC, then the American and Pac-12/MWC thing, then the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA.

IDK. Still think there's a good chance it could be only 20-24. Depends on the way rules are written - that could force a ton of opt-outs, or it could make it easier for the non-blue bloods to compete. And in the end, it will be what FOX/ESPN want to pay for. Although I suppose NIL brings in enough money that TV is no longer the ONLY check writer, so that's good in that sense.

Not even sure what I should prefer as an ISU fan. Small fish big pond, or big fish small pond.