Construction easement questions

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There's going to be a new street built in empty lot next to mine and got a letter yesterday for appraisal of small section that the city needs to buy. The plan also includes a construction easement that would cover some of my (asphalt) driveway and lawn.

My question is is there typically some payment made to homeowner in this situation? Also is there some type of agreement in advance to cover any potential damages? I can easily see my driveway getting damaged in this process. Any thoughts or past experiences would be appreciated.
 
There's going to be a new street built in empty lot next to mine and got a letter yesterday for appraisal of small section that the city needs to buy. The plan also includes a construction easement that would cover some of my (asphalt) driveway and lawn.

My question is is there typically some payment made to homeowner in this situation? Also is there some type of agreement in advance to cover any potential damages? I can easily see my driveway getting damaged in this process. Any thoughts or past experiences would be appreciated.


Usually they take care of those situations, but make sure to put it in the purchase agreement. Too many people just take what is forced on them, you do have a little negotiation ability to work with. Go take photos today of what that area looks like, that way you will have the upper hand if it comes to a he said she said situation of how it looked beforehand.
 
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Don’t mean to hijack, but I have an issue I’m trying to work through or see if there are options.

My parents bought a pretty good sized piece of land behind them a few years ago. I was thinking about building our forever home on it, and have gone through a feasibility test. Builder says there are no issues in accessing the sight or anything, however, we discovered the property is zoned by the county for a subdivision, and they don’t seem at all interested in rezoning it for a single family home. My parents have no desire to turn it into a subdivision, and this piece of land will eventually be part of their estate when they pass. I have no desire for that property to be a subdivision either.

Anyway...long story short...am I ****** here?
 
You definitely can and should negotiate with the city. Sometimes you can get better results by negotiating for improvements to your land versus a cash payment (ie an amount that goes to a local landscaping company to do work after the construction or resurfacing/replacement of all or part of your driveway). Regardless you definitely want it clearly definite in the contract what actions they will take during the construction and what they will do after construction to fix any damage caused.
 
Don’t mean to hijack, but I have an issue I’m trying to work through or see if there are options.

My parents bought a pretty good sized piece of land behind them a few years ago. I was thinking about building our forever home on it, and have gone through a feasibility test. Builder says there are no issues in accessing the sight or anything, however, we discovered the property is zoned by the county for a subdivision, and they don’t seem at all interested in rezoning it for a single family home. My parents have no desire to turn it into a subdivision, and this piece of land will eventually be part of their estate when they pass. I have no desire for that property to be a subdivision either.

Anyway...long story short...am I ****** here?

Talk to the county supervisors. Ask questions about things and maybe even donate to one of their campaigns. They can do the dirty work for you. If they have abatements to build, agree to forego those so they will make extra. Carve out a piece and ask for just that portion, unless you need the whole piece. Ask for a zoning change only on that. You don’t have to sell the land to build other stuff.
 
Why would the government spend on your tax dollars an appraisal if they weren't going to buy it from you? You'll be getting or may have already gotten a letter explaining the appraisal and process and maybe how to contest it if you disagree with the value as determined by the government. That letter does have date you have to contest by.

Other Questions?
Will the new property line cause any structure on your property to not conform with setback requirements?
 
There's going to be a new street built in empty lot next to mine and got a letter yesterday for appraisal of small section that the city needs to buy. The plan also includes a construction easement that would cover some of my (asphalt) driveway and lawn.

My question is is there typically some payment made to homeowner in this situation? Also is there some type of agreement in advance to cover any potential damages? I can easily see my driveway getting damaged in this process. Any thoughts or past experiences would be appreciated.

Several years ago the city needed the very rear of my property for a walking trail. I simply divided my lot price by the square footage and came up with a number. The city offered me 1/3 of that number and told me that the price of land didn't work the way I had calculated. At that point I decided to go through the city's process and let 3 independent appraisers come in. Long story short, they all came up with the same number which also happened to be same number the city had offered.

Based off of my experience you should take the first offer that you are presented with and see if they will spring for the cost of a fence on top of it. If you want to get really risky you could ask for some lube, because when the city wants some of your land you are basically ******.
 
Don’t mean to hijack, but I have an issue I’m trying to work through or see if there are options.

My parents bought a pretty good sized piece of land behind them a few years ago. I was thinking about building our forever home on it, and have gone through a feasibility test. Builder says there are no issues in accessing the sight or anything, however, we discovered the property is zoned by the county for a subdivision, and they don’t seem at all interested in rezoning it for a single family home. My parents have no desire to turn it into a subdivision, and this piece of land will eventually be part of their estate when they pass. I have no desire for that property to be a subdivision either.

Anyway...long story short...am I ****** here?

You are screwed. They want the property tax money off it. Undeveloped or a single home is a **** ton less in property taxes coming in than a fully developed site.
 
You are screwed. They want the property tax money off it. Undeveloped or a single home is a **** ton less in property taxes coming in than a fully developed site.

Yeah...I get it. I’d venture to guess undeveloped is less than single family though. I don’t know how many houses they can realistically get back there, but my plan was to buy the whole thing, build and save some of it for other family members when they are ready. Whatever. Guess it’s “plan B”, which is adding on to existing home.
 
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I have an issue I’m trying to work through or see if there are options.

My parents bought a pretty good sized piece of land behind them a few years ago. I was thinking about building our forever home on it, and have gone through a feasibility test. Builder says there are no issues in accessing the sight or anything, however, we discovered the property is zoned by the county for a subdivision, and they don’t seem at all interested in rezoning it for a single family home. My parents have no desire to turn it into a subdivision, and this piece of land will eventually be part of their estate when they pass. I have no desire for that property to be a subdivision either.

Anyway...long story short...am I ****** here?

I'm not sure what is meant when you say that the property is "zoned for a subdivision", and that you feel that's a bad thing, because that's not how zoning works. The zoning might ALLOW a subdivision, and that's generally a GOOD thing because it tends to make the property worth more if you CHOOSE to subdivide it. Multiple smaller parcels are almost always worth more than one big one.

But zoning never FORCES a subdivision to be done. Zoning always allows larger parcels and setbacks than the minimum sizes required by the zoning code, so if you don't want to subdivide, don't. Zoning also has nothing to do with taxation, so being zoned to ALLOW a subdivision doesn't increase the tax bill: tax calculations are based upon how the property is used, not how it's zoned.

A subdivision might be allowed by the zoning, if/because the minimum lot size, setbacks etal required by the zoning code would allow parcels to be created that are smaller than the size of the existing parcel. So, if your parents wanted to sell/give you part of the property, or if the desire is to sell the existing house and build a new one, or you decide to divide and sell part of the property to help finance a new house, zoning that allows smaller parcel/lot sizes means that you could, subject to the requirements of the County's zoning and subdivision codes.

There are other factors besides parcel size and setbacks that might come into play if you WANT to subdivide the property, such as minimum frontage on a street, minimum sizes for septic systems and private wells, that may need to be considered. The County should have a zoning administrator or other staff person that can answer your questions. But, in general, if you want to build one house on any given parcel, you can do so regardless of whether the zoning allows smaller parcels, ie subdivision of an existing parcel.

There's one other caveat: if the property is zoned for commercial or industrial development, the zoning might not allow any new residential uses. But, you didn't say that the zoning was for commercial or industrial, so I won't go into how that might affect what you may want to do with the property.

If I've misunderstood something, please post a clarification and I'll do my best to respond.
 
Just take pictures, document everything on email chains, and do your diligence to understand the rules of the city. Get it in writing. Typically they will fix the drive and any damages that would be caused by the public road construction.
 
There's going to be a new street built in empty lot next to mine and got a letter yesterday for appraisal of small section that the city needs to buy. The plan also includes a construction easement that would cover some of my (asphalt) driveway and lawn.

My question is is there typically some payment made to homeowner in this situation? Also is there some type of agreement in advance to cover any potential damages? I can easily see my driveway getting damaged in this process. Any thoughts or past experiences would be appreciated.

The city HAS to pay fair market value for any interest in private property that the city wishes to obtain, whether to acquire full title to the property or an easement of some sort whether permanent or private. The city HAS to start the acquisition process by offering the fair market value as determined by an appraisal. It's in the city's best interests to obtain an accurate appraisal, and not try to "low ball" an offer by hiring an appraiser who might tend to arrive at a low valuation (individual appraisers can sometimes vary a great deal in arriving at a value), but if you think the appraisal is low, propose a higher valuation to the city which you can throw out there on your own, or you can hire your own appraiser.

It's generally in everyone's best interests, including the city, to arrive at a negotiated agreement. But if that's not possible, the process will move on to condemnation wherein the city can "forcibly" acquire the property/easement through payment of a fair price. The first step after notifying you that condemnation will be done, is to submit the issue to a condemnation jury, which will consist of several citizens appointed by the County Board of Supervisors for such purpose. The appointees tend to be real estate agents, appraisers, or others who would have knowledge of real estate value. That jury will review the city's offer and your counter, and decide a value that can NEVER be lower than the appraised value first offered by the city. So, it may seem that you could never lose by going to condemnation, but you can in the sense that you should retain an attorney and get an appraisal if going the condemnation route. That means expense to you, and if the condemnation jury decides that the city's offer fairly represents the value of the property, you could end up with less than what the city offered by reason of having to pay for representation.

The city will also be paying to go before the condemnation jury, so the city will also be paying more for the property. Hence the benefits of reaching a negotiated agreement, takes less time and neither side is paying attorneys etal.

If the property owner STILL isn't satisfied that a fair value has been reached, the matter can be appealed to District Court. That process adds considerably to the cost for everyone. Generally, the attorneys come out ahead, the city ends up spending more tax dollars to obtain the needed property, and the property owner may not end up with much more than the original appraised value. The value NEVER goes the original appraised value, and if the condemnation jury awards more that becomes the new baseline, but just because those are higher that doesn't mean the property owner's net will be higher given the costs for attorneys and other representation.

If the values are low, it should be easy to understand that going through the condemnation process isn't beneficial to either the city or property owner, you're just making boat payments for your legal representative.

As to possible damages to your driveway, loss of trees etal, it's also beneficial to negotiate those up front. Depending on the situation, the city may agree to pay those costs up front if it's obvious that repairs will be necessary, such as that the driveway almost certainly will get crushed to oblivion by the construction. OTOH, if that's only a possibility, the city may not be willing to pay for damages that seem unlikely in the city's view. In such case you'll certainly want to take photos of the driveway etal, to document the pre-construction conditions. Be sure to document integrity, since driving heavy equipment over the driveway may cause cracking that may lead to future issues that aren't initially manifest.
 
I'm not sure what is meant when you say that the property is "zoned for a subdivision", and that you feel that's a bad thing, because that's not how zoning works. The zoning might ALLOW a subdivision, and that's generally a GOOD thing because it tends to make the property worth more if you CHOOSE to subdivide it. Multiple smaller parcels are almost always worth more than one big one.

But zoning never FORCES a subdivision to be done. Zoning always allows larger parcels and setbacks than the minimum sizes required by the zoning code, so if you don't want to subdivide, don't. Zoning also has nothing to do with taxation, so being zoned to ALLOW a subdivision doesn't increase the tax bill: tax calculations are based upon how the property is used, not how it's zoned.

A subdivision might be allowed by the zoning, if/because the minimum lot size, setbacks etal required by the zoning code would allow parcels to be created that are smaller than the size of the existing parcel. So, if your parents wanted to sell/give you part of the property, or if the desire is to sell the existing house and build a new one, or you decide to divide and sell part of the property to help finance a new house, zoning that allows smaller parcel/lot sizes means that you could, subject to the requirements of the County's zoning and subdivision codes.

There are other factors besides parcel size and setbacks that might come into play if you WANT to subdivide the property, such as minimum frontage on a street, minimum sizes for septic systems and private wells, that may need to be considered. The County should have a zoning administrator or other staff person that can answer your questions. But, in general, if you want to build one house on any given parcel, you can do so regardless of whether the zoning allows smaller parcels, ie subdivision of an existing parcel.

There's one other caveat: if the property is zoned for commercial or industrial development, the zoning might not allow any new residential uses. But, you didn't say that the zoning was for commercial or industrial, so I won't go into how that might affect what you may want to do with the property.

If I've misunderstood something, please post a clarification and I'll do my best to respond.

I really don’t understand what’s going on. Got new info that says something about the land beyond this property as having something to do with it. Basically saying my parent’s property is “unbuildable” because of the way it was platted.
 
There's going to be a new street built in empty lot next to mine and got a letter yesterday for appraisal of small section that the city needs to buy. The plan also includes a construction easement that would cover some of my (asphalt) driveway and lawn.

My question is is there typically some payment made to homeowner in this situation? Also is there some type of agreement in advance to cover any potential damages? I can easily see my driveway getting damaged in this process. Any thoughts or past experiences would be appreciated.


Yes, payment of fair market value is a must in these situations. There will be a lengthy agreement that will spell out all of the City and their Contractor's requirements. As others have said, take a million pictures. You won't be able to stop condemnation and working with them is always better. By working with the City Engineers and Laywers you'll likely be able to negotiate some value into the deal.

This varies a bit, but the legal fees for a property owner are often reimbursable, so at the very least go talk to a local real estate attorney to see if that would be the case in this instance. It'll keep you from dealing with all of the BS. I worked on the landowner side of a case for a major highway re-alignment and he spent $2,000,000 in legal and engineering fees, which were all repaid to him. ...fortunately for him, he was able to "float" that much cash over a 10 year period, but it still made him really really sad.
 
You need an attorney. Get everything in writing and have him do the talking.
Go ahead an do this if you want to spend more money while getting nothing extra in return. You can fight it and go to condemnation if you want, but the only winner in that is the attorney.

For a small corner of the property and a little in temporary easement, just take the money they offer and make sure they'll replace anything damaged which is what happens 98% of the time.
 
I really don’t understand what’s going on. Got new info that says something about the land beyond this property as having something to do with it. Basically saying my parent’s property is “unbuildable” because of the way it was platted.

There isn't a generic answer to why that may be, or what if anything can be done about it, it's a factual matter with the resolution dependent upon the set of facts.

I see that you list Runnells as your location. Is the property in question located in Polk County? If so, call 515-286-3705 and ask to speak to a zoning administrator in the Planning and Development division (it's part of Polk County's Public Works Department), or set up an appointment to meet with someone. Ask them why it's not developable, and for the relevant Code sections that set out the parameters that need to be followed, and presumably CAN'T be followed, to make it possible to build another house/replace the existing house. Just making a wild guess, the issue may be inadequate access by reason of minimum street frontage for each parcel, or because the only means of access is subject to flooding under a 1% (fka 100-year) flood. That would tie in with being affected by development of an adjacent property, whose development COULD have provided additional access to your parents' property, but didn't for whatever reason.

IF there is inadequate street frontage, it may be possible to rectify that limitation by developing the property in part, by developing a new street within the property in order to provide more street frontage. In that sense, I suppose that zoning could be said to require subdivision, indirectly, if a street frontage requirements can't be met as-is, but could be met by developing the property to add a street.

If that's the case, MAYBE relief could be sought in the form of a variance from the Zoning Code, which can be sought be applying to the County's Board of Adjustment. The County can explain how to do that.

A property can't be made totally undevelopable by zoning, UNLESS there are safety reasons: that would constitute a taking of the property through regulation. About the only legal reasons under which development can be greatly limited are physical conditions that make the property unsafe, the chief reason in Iowa being flooding, and in such case agricultural or recreational uses may be deemed adequate use to prevent a taking from taking place. And, an existing house on the property that may be all that needs to be allowed to avoid a taking from occurring.

Again, contact the County Zoning Administrator for whichever county the property is located in.
 
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I really don’t understand what’s going on. Got new info that says something about the land beyond this property as having something to do with it. Basically saying my parent’s property is “unbuildable” because of the way it was platted.

Hogwash, go find the county zoning map and read the actual description. These Counties think that whatever they want to happen will somehow magically come true. We don't have any such zoning in this area and I don't think they can limit it that way in others. Besides, if the land was actually develop able into a large development it would be worth a lot more money and they will buy it and either just move or demo the SF home.

However, keep in mind these are government employees. They can basically tell you whatever they want. And if you call three different people you'll likely get three different answers, if any at all.