Brett Yormark called ESPN?

[BoomerClone]

Do you know what solves all this? A Big 12 team needs to go out and win the whole damn thing. That will shut ESPN up for now. Then the Big 12 needs to follow that with a string of very solid performances in the CFP for a few years in a row. It's the only way it will ever change.

 

[Cyclonsin]

I hate to tell you this, but IMO AP doesn't carry with it anymore objectivity than the CFP rankings. It's just as easily manipulated. Imagine this whole thing as a chess game from the beginning of LAST year. Every step along the way has an alternative pre-planned marketing path to maintain the merits of say 'Alabama' regardless of who they lose to. Why? Because Alabama is easier to market for a TV audience than say Boise or Iowa State. And, why is that? Because they've (i.e. media) spent decades building this popularity contest.

This has all been painfully obvious for as long as I've been a fan. I assure you, this isn't something I was unaware of.

 

[Cyclonsin]

Do you know what solves all this? A Big 12 team needs to go out and win the whole damn thing. That will shut ESPN up for now. Then the Big 12 needs to follow that with a string of very solid performances in the CFP for a few years in a row. It's the only way it will ever change.

Wishful thinking.... I can hear it now:

"Iowa State took advantage of a down year from the SEC and Big Ten to get lucky in a few games. That, and they were well rested and healthy after pushing through their soft Big XII schedule playing against better teams who were just too banged up and worn down."

 

[BCClone]

The only leverage Yormark may have is with basketball. How he can use that is a whole other question.

Maybe Yormark has dirt on the exec and a nets cheerleader

 

[Die4Cy]

Do you know what solves all this? A Big 12 team needs to go out and win the whole damn thing. That will shut ESPN up for now. Then the Big 12 needs to follow that with a string of very solid performances in the CFP for a few years in a row. It's the only way it will ever change.

It won't be easy. There will be other leagues that will have 4 times the opportunities, favored scheduled matchups at home for a first round game, and the megaphone of an invested sports media to go up against. But it is the only way forward for the Big 12.

There was an ESPN effort a couple years back to force us into the AAC to save money. Once that failed they didn't just give up on the idea. They just figured out a way to do the same thing through the back door. This method will take longer, and the Big 12 actually has the opportunity to do something about it, but the intent is still there.

Disney/ESPN/ABC is the devil.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Do you know what solves all this? A Big 12 team needs to go out and win the whole damn thing. That will shut ESPN up for now. Then the Big 12 needs to follow that with a string of very solid performances in the CFP for a few years in a row. It's the only way it will ever change.

Nope, what solves it is when Amazon finally decides to go all in on College Football and breaks the ESPN monopoly.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I've seen people calling for the BCS rankings but aren't they similar to the CFP rankings right now? At least I thought I remember seeing that somewhere

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I hate to tell you this, but IMO AP doesn't carry with it anymore objectivity than the CFP rankings. It's just as easily manipulated. Imagine this whole thing as a chess game from the beginning of LAST year. Every step along the way has an alternative pre-planned marketing path to maintain the merits of say 'Alabama' regardless of who they lose to. Why? Because Alabama is easier to market for a TV audience than say Boise or Iowa State. And, why is that? Because they've (i.e. media) spent decades building this popularity contest.

I completely disagree. Team bias starts as soon as the first AP poll is released. If ranked teams lose early it's bad optics, plain and simple, especially when you aren't one of the teams with strong brand recognition.. The Big 12 having Utah, Okie St, and KU crap the bed early really hurt. I would lump Colorado into the discussion but they clearly figured things out. In the past typically the first Playoff poll corrected some of the AP's silliness but that hasn't happened this year.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I've seen people calling for the BCS rankings but aren't they similar to the CFP rankings right now? At least I thought I remember seeing that somewhere

Yes. With that being said though I don't think the BCS algorithm would be the same now as it was when it was used. Things have changed too much as far as scheduling parity goes due to the sizes of the conferences. The spread of possible SOS or SOR between 5 different teams in the same league is stupid.

 

[brokenloginagain]

Here's my idea for more big12 teams in the playoff...how about not losing these games?

CU lost to Neb
WVU lost to Pitt
TCU lost to SMU
TTech lost to Wash St.

And the real story in the big12 this year? KANSAS absolutely sabotaging the league, losing to IL and UNLV in the non-conf, then lose to pretty much everyone else EXCEPT then they beat BYU, CU, and ISU - I mean, wtf how could that have been worse???

 

[Die4Cy]

The preseason poll having any weight in the perception of teams is going to be a huge problem going forward. The Big 12 is only viewed as weak this year because the teams the AP thought were going to be good before the season started, weren't.

Maybe the AP should consider that in the NIL era they don't know **** about determining the quality of teams before they've played a bunch of games, and stop trying.

 

[GTO]

Maybe Yormark has dirt on the exec and a nets cheerleader

Or he can send them some cheerleaders and then start rolling the tape.

 

[HFCS]

Do you know what solves all this? A Big 12 team needs to go out and win the whole damn thing. That will shut ESPN up for now. Then the Big 12 needs to follow that with a string of very solid performances in the CFP for a few years in a row. It's the only way it will ever change.

If you look at the 4 team playoff era...Oklahoma really didn't help our perception. They got in a ton, they weren't a huge underdog when they got in, and they lost every single time. 0-4 I believe without looking it up.

Texas represented a little better last year but still no win. As a 3 seed they played the 2 seed very close.

TCU the prior year won the Big 12's only playoff win over Michigan.

The real shame is in 2014 TCU was straight up the best team in college football and got taken out of the 4 team playoff for no reason other than absurd committee bias. They'd have very likely gone 2-0 or 1-1 and that actually puts them among the most successful teams in the playoff. TCU is 1-1 but really should be 3-1 or 2-2 in all likelihood.

 

[Cloneon]

I completely disagree. Team bias starts as soon as the first AP poll is released. If ranked teams lose early it's bad optics, plain and simple, especially when you aren't one of the teams with strong brand recognition.. The Big 12 having Utah, Okie St, and KU crap the bed early really hurt. I would lump Colorado into the discussion but they clearly figured things out. In the past typically the first Playoff poll corrected some of the AP's silliness but that hasn't happened this year.

I think we're actually 'agreeing'. I just see the 'plan' as the ability to manipulate any scenario. And, that this plan started decades ago and is merely updated annually to strategize how to get their teams into the CFP each year. Of course, there are outliers where they can't be ignored, but FSU last year is an extreme example of how they do it.

 

[Cloneon]

The preseason poll having any weight in the perception of teams is going to be a huge problem going forward. The Big 12 is only viewed as weak this year because the teams the AP thought were going to be good before the season started, weren't.

Maybe the AP should consider that in the NIL era they don't know **** about determining the quality of teams before they've played a bunch of games, and stop trying.

Anyone do an analysis of what Vegas has thought throughout the season? That, to me, would be a better gauge than someone's opinion.

 

[CycloneSpinning]

IMO the College Football Playoffs impact way too many things for one effing network to be the sole carrier. This should 100% be split between Fox and ESPN. The mothership has way too much skin in the game and it impacts how they are covering the sport and not in a good way.

I 100% agree. Good job by them I guess in getting things set up so they’re basically able to control college football, but it almost seems the government should step in. There are too many people - schools, athletes, fans - who are impacted by this in a fairly significant way…and we have no say.

Granted, it’s not life or death serious, but it’s somewhat of a quality of life issue.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Wishful thinking.... I can hear it now:

"Iowa State took advantage of a down year from the SEC and Big Ten to get lucky in a few games. That, and they were well rested and healthy after pushing through their soft Big XII schedule playing against better teams who were just too banged up and worn down."

I'll allow it!

 

[jdoggivjc]

It’s sad it even comes to this. The Big12 is literally an ESPN product and it’s crazy they don’t promote them. They hype up the B1G which they have no part of more than the Big12. I kind of wonder if the main reason we are still with ESPN is because they sweetened the pot a little bit to get OuuT early. Obviously it’s ESPN and it’s not bad to be on though, and this new TBS thing starting next year helps too.

could just as easily be to prevent lawsuits - ESPN had some really shady **** planned to get OuT out of the Big 12 without them having to pay exit fees as well as paying conference members significantly less in the future.

 

[AlaCyclone]

On the Bright Side, and I think this should be Emphasized somehow:

I think the four way tie in the Regular Season shows that the recent expansion was positive with an old Big 6-7-8-XII anchor school (Iowa State), a Big 7-8-XII-Pac and Back Hybrid school (Colorado), a Big Xii 3.0 Expansion school (BYU) and a Big XII 4.0 Expansion school (Ariz. State) are all repping together! At least, I think that is kind of cool. Of course, I love the Big 6-7-8-XII anchor team the most!

 

[RezClone]

One thing is for certain. Either Iowa State or Arizona State needs to compete in whatever CFP game they end up in, or else.

IMO, TCU beating Michigan two years ago pairs nicely with a win by either ISU or ASU, or at least a similarly competitive game that results in a loss.

50-7 is going to be the confirmation the "big 2", the media, and the networks are looking for, no matter what the truth may be.