Big Man Recruiting - Prohm's luck will change

[ca4cy]

Anyone know if we recruited Justin Patton from Omaha North, class of 2015?

I don't know if we recruited him, but he was a late bloomer and based on the article attached, nobody including us offered. He's been a huge Creighton fan his whole life and a Creighton offer was his dream scenario. The way the article reads, he could've gotten a Duke offer and he was going to Creighton if the opportunity presented itself. He's basically their less decorated Hoiberg.

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/jammin-justin-7-footer-game-changer-no-10-creighton

 

[LLCoolCY]

That's inaccurate. Chose us over Illinois, TCU, USC, Seton Hall, Cal and Washington

Really pulling for Kasongo being an above average starter next year after many posters writing him off not before playing a minute in Hilton.
If he were a Freshman coming in next year with those offers he would be the next Great Post Hope.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

It's kind of funny that is exactly what Jameel did and everyone hated him. This is why it's so frustrating. We'll get a couple good bigs soon and then everyone will be getting a ride in the back of the "if only we had better guards" whambulance.

Is there anything you can't falsify?

 

[srjclone]

A whole thread? Really, guys?

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Really pulling for Kasongo...
If he were a Freshman coming in next year with those offers he would be the next Great Post Hope.

And if Stu were averaging 10 and 5 he'd be good.

The good news for Kasongo is he's essentially just needs to do better than a DNP. Luckily he will because a redshirt senior so he'll get 30 minutes a game to figure out while Lard will need to show he's a game changer in 3 minutes.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Is there anything you can't falsify?

I can not falsify the immense level of butthurt self loathing that some ISU "fans" conjure up.

 

[Bryce7]

Anyone know if we recruited Justin Patton from Omaha North, class of 2015?

Patton looks great.

 

[Bryce7]

I'm not ready to write Carter off. It used to be the norm that players, bigs in particular would not play until their Jr. and Sr. years. He may still develop, or he may move on. Ernst, who knows, he also may be a big recruiting flop at X. Lack of past recruiting and Holen's non-production thus far have been the issues.

I do not know what goes through Prohms thinking goes. Monte is back to playing 39 minutes. Holden playtime is in seconds. Carter carries the team water. Young hustles his butt off and he gets in the second half for the first time. Bowie has a nice shot but lets deonte hog the ball. Prohm needs to sub better and take more chances or he will fail.

 

[tyler24]

I do not know what goes through Prohms thinking goes. Monte is back to playing 39 minutes. Holden playtime is in seconds. Carter carries the team water. Young hustles his butt off and he gets in the second half for the first time. Bowie has a nice shot but lets deonte hog the ball. Prohm needs to sub better and take more chances or he will fail.

The more I see of prohm the more likely I see him to fail. I don't feel like he is a great game manager whatsoever. Really hope I am completely wrong with this.

 

[rholtgraves]

Really pulling for Kasongo being an above average starter next year after many posters writing him off not before playing a minute in Hilton.
If he were a Freshman coming in next year with those offers he would be the next Great Post Hope.

Not just posters. Stansbury also heard things aren't going well with him.

 

[jbhtexas]

If it is a difficult thing to recruit rebounders and serviceable post players to ISU, then Prohm needs to hire an assistant who can coach up smaller guys to be serviceable at these positions. It's not easy to play those positions as an undersized guy, but there are techniques to help make things go better, and the ISU players who are having to fill these positions, particularly Burton, don't seem to know how to handle bigger players. This has been a problem for years.

The TCU Russian kid had some nice moves, but he was no superstar. He was tall, and ISU seemed to have no real idea how to disrupt him. Also not sure why ISU wouldn't try Young and Holden on him earlier in the game for a just a few minutes anyway. It becomes tough to win when the opponent is just abusing the post. But Hoiberg was the same way in just sticking with the rotation and somehow hoping that things will change.

 

[rholtgraves]

If it is a difficult thing to recruit rebounders and serviceable post players to ISU, then Prohm needs to hire an assistant who can coach up smaller guys to be serviceable at these positions. It's not easy to play those positions as an undersized guy, but there are techniques to help make things go better, and the ISU players who are having to fill these positions, particularly Burton, don't seem to know how to handle bigger players. This has been a problem for years.

The TCU Russian kid had some nice moves, but he was no superstar. He was tall, and ISU seemed to have no real idea how to disrupt him. Also not sure why ISU wouldn't try Young and Holden on him earlier in the game for a just a few minutes anyway. It becomes tough to win when the opponent is just abusing the post. But Hoiberg was the same way in just sticking with the rotation and somehow hoping that things will change.

I don't think he is russian but that is besides the point. he is actually a really good player this year. Look at what he has done in the big 12. 28 vs KU, 14 v WVU, 19 v. Texas and 25 against ISU.

 

[CyTwins]

The more I see of prohm the more likely I see him to fail. I don't feel like he is a great game manager whatsoever. Really hope I am completely wrong with this.

Did you think this way Thursday morning as well?

 

[jbhtexas]

I don't think he is russian but that is besides the point. he is actually a really good player this year. Look at what he has done in the big 12. 28 vs KU, 14 v WVU, 19 v. Texas and 25 against ISU.

Slovakian, I guess.

He is a good player. But not as good as ISU made him look. Against KU he shot 47% from the field. Following 28 points at KU, he had 4 points against against OU. Against ISU, he shot 79% from the field. If ISU could have even slowed him a little bit, a win becomes much more likely.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I don't think he is russian but that is besides the point. he is actually a really good player this year. Look at what he has done in the big 12. 28 vs KU, 14 v WVU, 19 v. Texas and 25 against ISU.

Just one of the countless examples across the country of non powerhouses having competent big men. And it isn't an ISU problem, we've almost always had at least situational big guys. It's a coaching problem- more a weakness in strategy than development, but an easier fix than the false dilemma crowd on here realize.

 

[rholtgraves]

What I find strange is all the ISU fans that just want some jack wagon big to come in and foul people like that is some great contribution to the team.

 

[NickTheGreat]

I don't know if a big man would help, but I know every game we lose this season will be attributed to that.

There are times that it appears having someone over 6' on the court would be a good thing,

 

[Sigmapolis]

Still like this team and Prohm.

But not having 1-2 average or below average Big 12 big men... not even good ones, just a body or two who is worthy of seeing the court and holding their own, rather than needing to play 5 guards all of the time or 4 guards with a glorified SF (no offense Darrell, very glad you are here, but you are not really a "big" in any traditional sense)...

...is a little frustrating.

If we have that, to just challenge TCU in the lane a little, we likely win that game.

We can rotate them out when other teams want to play tit-for-tat small ball with us, like KU is probably going to want to do tonight. They'd be nice as an option, however, when the match up is clearly calling for it at the moment, like it did Saturday.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Just one of the countless examples across the country of non powerhouses having competent big men. And it isn't an ISU problem, we've almost always had at least situational big guys. It's a coaching problem- more a weakness in strategy than development, but an easier fix than the false dilemma crowd on here realize.

I don't think people want to accept that Prohm has a style and it's guard oriented basketball. Just because you want Daniel Edozie every year doesn't mean the staff does. It's obvious that they have a particular type of big man in mind and will change he gameplan if they can't get it. And you just continually ignore that we will have Young, Lard, and Kasongo on the team next year that we all would expect to get minutes.

What exactly do you want??? Or what exactly do you expect? You just cry all of the time.
We had Jameel last year, we missed out on the bigs that were supposed to be here this year, and next year we'll have one of those guys, a returning Young, and a transfer with size. Don't act like weve just had midget teams with no inside presence for the past 25 years.

 

[rholtgraves]

Also, ISU has had some of the best bigs in the history of the school in Royce, Ejim and Niang the last several years. They just aren't traditional bigs but that doesn't mean they weren't great bigs. Also had McKay who had a great Junior year. Dustin Hogue was pretty darn good. Now the depth hasn't been great but not many teams have great quality bigs off the bench. This year there were several things factoring in to a lack of good bigs (malou, Lard, Holden not panning out) but I don't think there is any reason to panic about bigs. Young looks like he has a bright future, Lard has potential, and they will surely find a couple more guys for next year.