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[Clone83]

Wyoming and Air Force, both Big 12 wrestling affiliates, are the only MWC wrestling schools. If Oregon State were left behind, like if the Pac added MWC schools, maybe OSU becomes an B12 affiliate also?

It would be a higher level of competition.

Stanford has a great coach, Rob Koll (previously at Cornell). Hard to say what happens, but if they became independent, who knows...

But, maybe OSU and Stanford stick together, Pac or otherwise, and wrestle smaller schools, as the Pac does now -- minus ASU.

I don't know about U of Oklahoma, but since Mizzou was added last year as a Big 12 wrestling affiliate, maybe Oklahoma stays, too.

Looking at the geography last night, I see that B12 affiliates Wyoming, Northern Colorado, and Air Force are not all that far from Boulder (and Denver). CU doesn't have wrestling, but I see this as a positive, I guess.

Similarly, Utah is just 45 minutes from BYU, and Big 12 affiliate Utah Valley U is in between (just 5 minutes from BYU).

 

[CycloneVet]

Oregon State wrestling can go pound rocks for all I care. That dude that stalled his ass off against Carr ruined OSU wrestling for me

 

[OKClones]

Oregon State wrestling can go pound rocks for all I care. That dude that stalled his ass off against Carr ruined OSU wrestling for me

Agree and Referees like that one should not be reffing in The National Championships at any NCAA level.

 

[csteve]

Oregon State wrestling can go pound rocks for all I care. That dude that stalled his ass off against Carr ruined OSU wrestling for me

That's all on officiating and rules. Competitors will do whatever necessary (within limits of rules and officiating) to win. Coaches will prepare and game plan whatever tactic they think will help them win. If you know Carr, and all coaches do, you know the only way to keep it close is to stall and use head and hands defense on your feet. Can only hope you can do enough on the mat to stay in it.

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

That's all on officiating and rules. Competitors will do whatever necessary (within limits of rules and officiating) to win. Coaches will prepare and game plan whatever tactic they think will help them win. If you know Carr, and all coaches do, you know the only way to keep it close is to stall and use head and hands defense on your feet. Can only hope you can do enough on the mat to stay in it.

The way stalling is called is atrocious. Rules need to be fixed so it’s less subjective and takes it out of the hands of what ref you have that day.

 

[CyGold]

That's all on officiating and rules. Competitors will do whatever necessary (within limits of rules and officiating) to win. Coaches will prepare and game plan whatever tactic they think will help them win. If you know Carr, and all coaches do, you know the only way to keep it close is to stall and use head and hands defense on your feet. Can only hope you can do enough on the mat to stay in it.

Agreed. It's not different than Ramazan's game plan vs. Desanto last year. Keep it close and hope for a slip up or one score victory. No one was complaining or telling the the wrestler/coaches to pound rocks when he kept it close.

 

[CarrollCyclone]

From a series of articles from Jon Wilner, a Pac-12 beat writer for the San Jose Mercury News. He's had a series of articles this week on the future of the Pac-12

Pac-12 survival guide: Media valuations suggest expansion doesn’t make financial sense

The conference is exploring expansion, but the move doesn’t make financial sense given the available options.

www.mercurynews.com

...staying put would leave the 10-team conference with approximately $300 million in average annual revenue, or $30 million per continuing member.

In order for expansion to be financially worthwhile, the Pac-12 would need to add schools that carry more than $30 million in annual media value.

There simply aren't any available.

Why? Because of their value, or lack thereof, on the most profitable broadcast platform: over-the-air television.

"Look at it this way," the source explained. "There are only so many window openings on the schedule. Those are going to be filled by the big brands, no matter which league they're in. Because they have more than others, the Big Ten and SEC are going to take most of them.

"Then other big-brand games like Clemson-Miami or Oregon-Washington, are going to have a place in these windows.

"(But) Cal vs. Oregon or San Diego State vs. Arizona is going to find a secondary platform, where the bulk of college football is going to be.

"Unless (expansion involves) a school that can find its way to the main-platform windows, its value is the same as the others in the bulk bin."

From that standpoint, few teams currently in the Pac-12 -- or the Big 12, for that matter -- are capable of elevating the media value for the collective.

And there are zero options outside either conference. There is no more water to squeeze.

 

[csteve]

The way stalling is called is atrocious. Rules need to be fixed so it’s less subjective and takes it out of the hands of what ref you have that day.

I agree that it is horrible the last few years. Most officials know stalling when they see it and unfortunately it is not called. I think the additional rules have caused officials to primarily focus stalling per the recent modifications to out of bounds rule, head and arm rule, and 5 second rule. I like the auto stalling call for the 5 second rules, but I think additional rules will only make officials into robots as opposed to actually being good officials.

I personally think the way stalling was called back in the old days was better when none of these rules were in place.

 

[crablegs]

I agree that it is horrible the last few years. Most officials know stalling when they see it and unfortunately it is not called. I think the additional rules have caused officials to primarily focus stalling per the recent modifications to out of bounds rule, head and arm rule, and 5 second rule. I like the auto stalling call for the 5 second rules, but I think additional rules will only make officials into robots as opposed to actually being good officials.

I personally think the way stalling was called back in the old days was better when none of these rules were in place.

Coaches have to much influence over the officials. Plus social media makes the refs scared to make calls.

The fact of the matter is refs have subjective control over when to call stalling. It won’t be fixed by hoping things go back to like the “old days”.

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

Coaches have to much influence over the officials. Plus social media makes the refs scared to make calls.

The fact of the matter is refs have subjective control over when to call stalling. It won’t be fixed by hoping things go back to like the “old days”.

I’ve always been a fan of something similar to what freestyle does, but with some tweaks. Call passive then put them on the shot clock. This way they have an opportunity to score without giving up a stalling point. That would help as well as a push out rule.