Beat Iowa Dual Thread

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Imagine Terry's life if Tom wasn't a head collegiate wrestling coach. That dude would in a jail cell every other week for picking fights at the local high school gym.

Not sure if you saw the B1G documentary BTN did a couple years ago on the Brands Brothers but yeah Terry is carrying some demons around.

 

[CyCity]

I think there are two primary reasons:


1. Pressure - a lot of the Iowa guys wrestle right. They are afraid to lose. When you look at Cael, he preaches that the matches don’t matter. Winning and losing doesn’t matter. Control your attitude and effort. This approach allows his guys to wrestle more freely. This is the exact opposite of “win you live, lose you die” mentality. If you really think a wrestling match is life or death, your going to be extremely cautious and nervous.

2. The other is technique. I think Iowa is often getting beat in the scrambles which is where most d1 wrestling happens. I don’t think their coaches spend a lot of time teaching things like far ankle scrambles, nor do I think they do the types of practice plans that develop those skills (such as play wrestling). Being scared of scramble positions also makes one hesitant to engage.

You can see they don’t practice scrambling because they get gassed any time they get in one. Kennedy didn’t have enough in the tank to do anything but try to get stalls on MJ.

 

[BCClone]

Agree with all of this. I also think in the portal era, Brands is having a hard time getting consistency in his transfers. As I look from a distance, he is having difficulty recruiting the right transfers for his program. Could be wrong, but Dresser is doing a much better job of this.

Part of that can be style. Iowa does not have a free flowing style that is what wrestling has gravitated towards. So when Iowa brings transfers in, it’s like a square peg round hole situation. The exception is Caliendo, and I think part of that is he knows Mess will be attacking non stop so he has to be a high motor to even have a chance. So Caliendo is wrestling a different style than the rest due to the issue of Mess.

 

[Gerbs]

It’s a Monday, my back hurts from shoveling snow when I got back home to Wisconsin at 9pm, have a call coming up with a terrible client.

But I don’t care, nothing can bring me down today. On cloud 9 after watching the clones break the hawks yesterday with my boys.

 

[jkbuff98]

 

[BCClone]

You can see they don’t practice scrambling because they get gassed any time they get in one. Kennedy didn’t have enough in the tank to do anything but try to get stalls on MJ.

If your aren’t used to a situation, for wrestling scrambling can be a big one, you have that adrenaline rush to survive it but when you do get out it takes the tank from 7/8 full to 1/4 right away. Those scrambles drained Kennedy. Kennedy usually tries to drain opponents by pushing on them because fighting off someone pushing you around burns more gas than the one pushing, but you don’t have an adrenaline dump.

I do understand the push out rule but now it’s become a sumo type use. Even in youth wrestling they will tell you that just pushing is not wrestling, its just pushing and closer to stalling than wrestling. Although we can’t go back to fully ref subjectivity on it, because look at the stall calls yesterday.

 

[4theheckofit]

After browsing social media, it's obvious the common Hawk fan thinks Iowa still owns the wrestling world and thinks that if a guy has an Iowa singlet on, they deserve to win and are elite. This simply isn't true anymore.

The "Iowa Style" was great in the 80's and 90's. Quite frankly they just bullied people into submission. Wrestling has evolved and Iowa is the bully who finally got punched back and they don't seem to know how to handle that.

 

[JM4CY]

After browsing social media, it's obvious the common Hawk fan thinks Iowa still owns the wrestling world and thinks that if a guy has an Iowa singlet on, they deserve to win and are elite. This simply isn't true anymore.

The "Iowa Style" was great in the 80's and 90's. Quite frankly they just bullied people into submission. Wrestling has evolved and Iowa is the bully who finally got punched back and they don't seem to know how to handle that.

Never expect a reasonable opinion from a hawk, especially a hawk wrestling fan. They literally may not be able to tie their own shoes.

 

[BCClone]

After browsing social media, it's obvious the common Hawk fan thinks Iowa still owns the wrestling world and thinks that if a guy has an Iowa singlet on, they deserve to win and are elite. This simply isn't true anymore.

The "Iowa Style" was great in the 80's and 90's. Quite frankly they just bullied people into submission. Wrestling has evolved and Iowa is the bully who finally got punched back and they don't seem to know how to handle that.

Things evolve. Iowa is Nebraska football around 2000 with Frank Solich now. A higher end program but not as feared as they once were. Nebraska found out that the option is not an offense that can win championships, will Iowa understand that the Iowa style is no longer the best? Will Iowa follow Nebraskas downtrend (it won’t be as severe strictly due to the number of teams in wrestling compared to football) and become a living in the past completely program?

 

[Marcelason78]

What was the attendance today? Thanks.

Announced was 12,292.

 

[cytor]

If wrestling didn't exist, I'm pretty sure the Brands Bros would likely be in prison.

 

[ISU22CY]

Things evolve. Iowa is Nebraska football around 2000 with Frank Solich now. A higher end program but not as feared as they once were. Nebraska found out that the option is not an offense that can win championships, will Iowa understand that the Iowa style is no longer the best? Will Iowa follow Nebraskas downtrend (it won’t be as severe strictly due to the number of teams in wrestling compared to football) and become a living in the past completely program?

Boy sure would be a stinker if they followed the nebraska football trend

 

[SolarGarlic]

Brands always talks and preaches that they need to be aggressive and get takedowns.... but they haven't wrestled like that in quite a while now. What is the disconnect? Why don't his wrestlers wrestle how he claims they should be?

A lot of it comes down to talent and a shift away from straight on wrestling. Ohio, Pennsylvania, and the east coast are producing much more talent, and they aren't coming to Iowa. And wrestlers these days are much more skilled in defense and funk that neutralizes the "Iowa style". When you don't have the talent, you can't be the aggressor. And when you can't overcome talent with conditioning and intimidation, the Iowa Style is dead. The Iowa wrestlers are simply giving themselves the best opportunity to win by stalling and making it a one takedown match.

 

[Tigerguy_]

I definitely saw locked hands as did Perry and David telling the coaches

 

[isufan2]

I definitely saw locked hands as did Perry and David telling the coaches

Rankings come out on Tuesday.

 

[mj4cy]

Anyone else go back and rewatch the MJ match?

 

[crablegs]

I definitely saw locked hands as did Perry and David telling the coaches

Were you there?

 

[farm85]

Awesome.....

 

[Kinch]

 

[cytor]

The Brands Bros are the ultimate douches. I cannot fathom any parent wanting to send their kids there, being taught by those 2 clowns.