7/6 Cap City games

[CyinCo]

They aren't playing with most of their team. They aren't running a set offense. They aren't running a set defense. There is still an injury risk so why play all out? Winning means nothing other than pride. Some players aren't playing there natural positions. Posts have very little involvement unless a particular guard wants to pass the ball around. Fan, besides a few, really don't care or even know that the Cap City League goes on. In some ways, I don't believe the players really care either. Sometimes they have conflicts or just don't feel like going. It is summer.

For all the reasons I've listed and more that I didn't, no conclusions about how the next season will look should be drawng from this league (positive or negative), IMO.

With all that said, I like to read the reports from those who went. Please keep them coming.

 

[IP Guy]

Also, with regard to Buckley disappearing, he is a point guard playing the 2 in this league because Josh Parker is on his team. Parker often tends to look to Heemskerk first, to drive second, to shoot a the three third, again to Heemskerk fourth and then to anyone else if options 1-4 are not possible.

 

[ripvdub]

I knew she was on the team at one time, but that picture on cyclones.com does her no justice.

Im more of a Weiben fan.

 

[Cydkar]

Hard to believe that a handful of pickup games in the summer can totally neutralize the 20+ weekly hours of organized basketball coaching that Jiri received over many many months.

Hard to believe because it's BS. It gives them some exercise and a little competition. It has very little bearing on the season. I knew guys who played in the PTL down in I.C. It doesn't mean jack squat.

 

[jbhtexas]

Hard to believe because it's BS.

Are you really going to argue that a player's summertime training and competition has no bearing on how that player will perform during the season???

It gives them some exercise and a little competition.

And nothing else...the point being what the players are missing out on by hanging around and playing in a glorified pick-up league.

Playing against high-schoolers and mid-major college players doesn't help ISU's post players and forwards improve their post and rebounding skills for the Big 12, which would be happening if they were playing in a more competitive league or attending a summer skills camp for athletes of their caliber and position. On the other hand, I'm sure it's great for Drake. Their guys get to go up against players from ISU that have some Big 12 experience.

Verbal instruction and drills are only a small part of player development. At some point, players need playing time against better players in order to learn how to use the things they've been taught via instruction and drills in game-time situations. That's one reason why camps are put on, so that players have the opportunity to compete against players of equal and better skill in game situations.

The ISU inside players (and in many cases the guard as well) simply do not get this opportunity to compete against Big 12 caliber and better competition by hanging around Ames and playing in the Cap City league.

At least Lucca has it figured it out...

I knew guys who played in the PTL down in I.C. It doesn't mean jack squat.

I will agree with you on this...you knowing people who played in the PTL down in I.C. really doesn't mean jack squat as far as ISU's players being competitive in the Big 12...

 

[Cydkar]

Are you really going to argue that a player's summertime training and competition has no bearing on how that player will perform during the season???

I was only speaking to the league itself. Not the summer training the guys put in. Lets not put words in my mouth.

Guys aren't playing in this league in lieu of other, more productive, options. It's just something to do to get up and down the court a few more times during the week and get their juices flowing.

I think you are proving my point that the original thought that this league will screw up your game is BS. It won't because this isn't their primary training in the summer. Not even close.

 

[AIT]

The ISU inside players (and in many cases the guard as well) simply do not get this opportunity to compete against Big 12 caliber and better competition by hanging around Ames and playing in the Cap City league.

Complete this sentence: The best way for these players to improve over the offseason is ___

I love the Capital City games, and I think the players get plenty of good out of it.

 

[AIT]

You might have a point about power forwards, but I think the league is a good way for our new players to get their feet wet and get to know the veterans a little better. And of course, the league didn't seem to hurt Drake's development last year!

P.S. does anyone remember if Emmenecker played in the Cap City league last year?

I don't think he did. I think of Drake's top six last year, Josh Young was the only one who played in the league and was healthy.

 

[jbhtexas]

I think you are proving my point that the original thought that this league will screw up your game is BS. It won't because this isn't their primary training in the summer. Not even close.

What are they doing to train this summer? Are they competing against Big 12 caliber players of equal and better skill who can push them to be better, position by position?

And if you don't think that playing against inferior competition dulls one's skills, then you are simply misinformed about the nature of sports training and competition.

 

[jbhtexas]

Complete this sentence: The best way for these players to improve over the offseason is ___

Attend a skills camp with players of equal or better caliber run by professionals. Or better yet, play in a summer league composed of the same, for at least one (and preferably more) of the 4 summers attending ISU.

I love the Capital City games, and I think the players get plenty of good out of it.

Please explain to me what good ISU's post and power forwards get out of a league that is primarily a no-structure run-and-gun league where, perimiter players dominate the offensive play, where there is little opportunity to work on offensive moves or defending interior players? Particularly when the Big 12 isn't anything like that...

 

[BryceC]

Explain to me any school who's players go to camps and play against pros in any other setting unlike the Cap City League. Seriously, I want to know one. Mizzou plays in one similiar to the cap city. I believe KU does as well.

Or better yet, play in a summer league composed of the same, for at least one (and preferably more) of the 4 summers attending ISU.

I assume they will do that with the team at least every 4 years going to an overseas tournament or something. Unless I'm mistaken I think they are going to Spain after this year.

 

[ripvdub]

What are they doing to train this summer? Are they competing against Big 12 caliber players of equal and better skill who can push them to be better, position by position?

And if you don't think that playing against inferior competition dulls one's skills, then you are simply misinformed about the nature of sports training and competition.

I dont think there are many options available to college players. They dont have millions of AAU tournaments or Superstar NBA players camps that they can go to.

Its pretty much stay in Ames and play against each other, which they are probably tired of since thats all they do for practice already. Or make an extremely too long of a drive to way out West Des Moines and play with halfway talented kids.

I think they are really limited to how much coaching goes on during the offseason. I was thinking they have a couple of hours of one on one and maybe a few of team practice, otherwise its up to the players to get together.

 

[AIT]

Attend a skills camp with players of equal or better caliber run by professionals. Or better yet, play in a summer league composed of the same, for at least one (and preferably more) of the 4 summers attending ISU.

The skills camp idea is a good one, but like ripvdub said there aren't many of those available to college kids. I don't know why, but I'd guess it's partly because there aren't enough people to run them. Other college coaches probably can't run them because of NCAA rules about contact with college players, not that any coach in his right mind would let another college coach instruct his players. NBA coaches probably can't run them because it a violates of NBA and/or NCAA rules about contact. So you're down to guys who don't coach in college or NBA to run a camp, and I don't think there are that many guys like that who are qualified to coach Big 12 caliber players.

Playing in a high caliber summer league sounds good, but the NCAA limits where guys can play in these. I think they have to play within 50 miles of their college or hometown. I think Kansas City has a really good summer league with lots of Kansas, Mizzou, and NBA players, but that's not an option for ISU players.

Please explain to me what good ISU's post and power forwards get out of a league that is primarily a no-structure run-and-gun league where, perimiter players dominate the offensive play, where there is little opportunity to work on offensive moves or defending interior players? Particularly when the Big 12 isn't anything like that...

Big guys can work on just about everything but their post game in the summer league. Just because most guys choose to play sloppy doesn't mean you have to. Yeah, it's mostly oriented on perimeter play, but there's still plenty for the big guys to work on with rebounding and their mid-range game. It's not like big guys get to camp under the basket in the college game, so they still have to work on their perimeter skills.

By staying in town, guys can still get instruction from their college coaches (and supervision if they need it). They can take summer classes. They can build cammaraderie with their teammates.

Playing in the summer league should be a small part of a player's offseason routine. There's a risk of injury, but that's the only downside I see. It lets players work on their skills in a (mostly) organized setting. It lets new guys get used to playing with players bigger and faster than high schoolers. It exposes players to new styles, and lets them play against someone other than the college teammates they have to play against the rest of the year. It lets them do a little recruiting of the high school kids in the league (Barnes). Maybe best of all, it gives us something to watch during the summer. :yes:

 

[jbhtexas]

Explain to me any school who's players go to camps and play against pros in any other setting unlike the Cap City League. Seriously, I want to know one. Mizzou plays in one similiar to the cap city. I believe KU does as well.

These are just a couple of the better known ones. The SayNo classic does not have rosters posted, but SF Pro Am does, and you can see a wide variety of players, including D-league players and few from Big-name schools, as well as guys who play internationally.

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[BryceC]

I highly doubt it's economically feasible for the team to go to SoCal.

Whether people like it or not the CCL is the best option at this point. And if it was truly harmful to the players the ISU coaches wouldn't let the kids participate.

 

[Bader]

I highly doubt it's economically feasible for the team to go to SoCal.

That and if Craig went home to play in Cali I think the board might go into meltdown mode wondering if he'd come back

/duck

 

[cybsball20]

I have always wondered why college basketball summer leagues weren't structured more like college baseball, having 2 or 3 really good leagues so the best can play the best...

The Cape Cod League and Northwoods League for baseball both have games on National TV. I think there would be a demand to televise the games if the leagues were there.

 

[scottie33]

I have always wondered why college basketball summer leagues weren't structured more like college baseball, having 2 or 3 really good leagues so the best can play the best...

The Cape Cod League and Northwoods League for baseball both have games on National TV. I think there would be a demand to televise the games if the leagues were there.

I'd definately TIVO it if it were on tv or I would watch it if it was broadcasted on Mediacom. I think it would be entertaining. We don't necessairly need commentators just the video feed would be nice.

 

[jbhtexas]

I highly doubt it's economically feasible for the team to go to SoCal..

The whole team doesn't have to go Southern California at one time.

Whether people like it or not the CCL is the best option at this point. And if it was truly harmful to the players the ISU coaches wouldn't let the kids participate.

It's not the best option for some of the players. CCL might not be harmful, but it sure isn't helping anything either...

 

[CloneAggie]

Does anyone actually know the rules on these leagues? How far from their college can the kids play? What about about far from their hometown? Does the school reimburse any expenses (e.g., travel, shoes, etc.)? Or does the league sponsers cover any of these, and if so, what? Obviously answers to these questions make a difference whether or not CCL is the best option or not. Until we can get someone who actually knows what they are talking about to answer these questions, making arguments from either side seems a little silly.