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[Pope]

Warning: serious venting

I'm so sick of the debate among the so called experts about whether Tyrese is a superstar. It just shows many of them have a serious lack of understanding about the game of basketball.

Is a superstar just someone who can be relied upon to take 20+ shots a game and score 30+ points on a nightly basis? Or is a superstar someone who can elevate his other four teammates while also averaging 20 and 10 a night?

Giannis, Donovan Mitchell, and Jalen Brunson all fall into the former category, but they're all sitting at home because their seasons are over. Tyrese falls into the latter category and he's only two wins away from a world championship.

The Pacers did not go after Tyrese to have him take over games while the other four guys stand around and watch. They brought him in to lead their amazing offense and allow everyone in a Pacer uniform to eat.

Do these 'experts' claim Hall of Famers John Stockton and Steve Nash were not superstars? Well it's early, but Haliburton is on track to match their amazing careers.

 

[HFCS]

Warning: serious venting

I'm so sick of the debate among the so called experts about whether Tyrese is a superstar. It just shows many of them have a serious lack of understanding about the game of basketball.

Is a superstar just someone who can be relied upon to take 20+ shots a game and score 30+ points on a nightly basis? Or is a superstar someone who can elevate his other four teammates while also averaging 20 and 10 a night?

Giannis, Donovan Mitchell, and Jalen Brunson all fall into the former category, but but they're sitting at home because their seasons are over. Tyrese falls into the latter category and he's only two wins away from a world championship.

The Pacers did not go after Tyrese to have him take over games while the other four guys stand around and watch. They brought him in to lead their amazing offense and allow everyone in a Pacer uniform to eat.

Do these 'experts' claim Hall of Famers John Stockton and Steve Nash were not superstars? Well it's early, but Haliburton is on track to match their amazing careers.

Magic Johnson career NBA Finals average? 18 pts and 12 assists.

Basically Haliburton or Nash line, not an MJ or Wade or Kobe or SGA line AT ALL.

 

[t-noah]

Is there a way to disable ESPN app notifications that involve Stephen A? I follow Tyrese on there but every notification is a video of that bozo throwing shade.

Haha! He's everywhere, and worth every penny. Says espn.

Not.

 

[bozclone]

Warning: serious venting

I'm so sick of the debate among the so called experts about whether Tyrese is a superstar. It just shows many of them have a serious lack of understanding about the game of basketball.

Is a superstar just someone who can be relied upon to take 20+ shots a game and score 30+ points on a nightly basis? Or is a superstar someone who can elevate his other four teammates while also averaging 20 and 10 a night?

Giannis, Donovan Mitchell, and Jalen Brunson all fall into the former category, but they're all sitting at home because their seasons are over. Tyrese falls into the latter category and he's only two wins away from a world championship.

The Pacers did not go after Tyrese to have him take over games while the other four guys stand around and watch. They brought him in to lead their amazing offense and allow everyone in a Pacer uniform to eat.

Do these 'experts' claim Hall of Famers John Stockton and Steve Nash were not superstars? Well it's early, but Haliburton is on track to match their amazing careers.

That whole debate pisses me off too. I personally think they use it as a way to somewhat degrade him. He is obviously a face of a franchise that is playing really elite basketball. He is definitely a star in the game. Let him be him and evaluate his career much later. He has a magical personality and a uniqueness to his game that should be celebrated. To me the Superstar label is limited to very few and it is based more on career accomplishments. For the same reason, let’s see how SGA’s career goes too. I think a lot of the Tyrese debate comes from how Kerr handled him on the Olympic team. It was a pretty **** move by Kerr in my opinion.

 

[t-noah]

That whole debate pisses me off too. I personally think they use it as a way to somewhat degrade him. He is obviously a face of a franchise that is playing really elite basketball. He is definitely a star in the game. Let him be him and evaluate his career much later. He has a magical personality and a uniqueness to his game that should be celebrated. To me the Superstar label is limited to very few and it is based more on career accomplishments. For the same reason, let’s see how SGA’s career goes too. I think a lot of the Tyrese debate comes from how Kerr handled him on the Olympic team. It was a pretty **** move by Kerr in my opinion.

Yeah, I didn't particularly like how Hali didn't get much playing time in the Olympics. Kerr knew he was a good player. But, was he set on the 'superstar' players only? And what is that definition?

Hindsight is 20/20 but it now appears he is more than just good, he could have made that team even better. Maybe he'll get a crack at it again in 2028?

 

[NorthCyd]

If you want to get mad, watch this bull ****. It's completely ridiculous.

 

[HFCS]

If you want to get mad, watch this bull ****. It's completely ridiculous.

It's insane, Magic's career finals stat line is pretty much identical to Hali's typical line. He wasn't scoring 30ppg in finals like MJ/Wade/Kobe/SGA.

That clip is what had me look up his average to find it at 18ppg, 12 assists.

 

[HFCS]

Yeah, I didn't particularly like how Hali didn't get much playing time in the Olympics. Kerr knew he was a good player. But, was he set on the 'superstar' players only? And what is that definition?

Hindsight is 20/20 but it now appears he is more than just good, he could have made that team even better. Maybe he'll get a crack at it again in 2028?

I think Kerr made his rotations based on defense and he identified (probably correctly) Hali and Tatum as the worst one on one defenders.

Tyrese is pretty much the ultimate offensive point guard on a team of weapons like that.

 

[simply1]

Magic Johnson career NBA Finals average? 18 pts and 12 assists.

Basically Haliburton or Nash line, not an MJ or Wade or Kobe or SGA line AT ALL.

He was talking about stepping up against Boston right?

"He has to get 20-25 points every single game in order for the Pacers to win because they follow his lead, right? And so him and (Pascal) Siakam has to get at least 20 points to put the Pacers in a situation that they can win the game.

Magic Johnson has advice for Tyrese Haliburton: Do what I did vs. Celtics in NBA Finals

Magic Johnson joined ESPN's "Get Up" on Thursday to talk NBA Finals and what Tyrese Haliburton had to do to get Pacers across the finish line.

www.indystar.com

"So he has to set the tempo, not just with his pace and also his assists, but also his scoring. I had to do that against the Celtics. I could cruise in the other series, but not against the Celtics. I must score against the Celtics, while I still had to get 15-20 assists, and this is important for him: He has to do the same thing, set the table for the guys and score points against OKC."

In the 1985 NBA Finals, Johnson averaged 18.3 points and 14 assists as the Lakers won in six games. And in the 1987 NBA Finals, Johnson averaged 26.2 points and 13 assists in the Lakers’ six-game series win.

 

[t-noah]

I think Kerr made his rotations based on defense and he identified (probably correctly) Hali and Tatum as the worst one on one defenders.

Tyrese is pretty much the ultimate offensive point guard on a team of weapons like that.

Good point. I think he's getting better defensively, but even with the Pacers, he's not the choice for a lock down defender.

Still, I would have liked to see Kerr play him more. Would they have beaten Serbia in the semifinals by more than just 4 points, for example, if Hali played 8-10 minutes? Don't know. And I think he could have, should have seen some time against France, in the final.

But Kerr did what he thought he needed to do. USA got the gold!

 

[t-noah]

He was talking about stepping up against Boston right?

Magic Johnson has advice for Tyrese Haliburton: Do what I did vs. Celtics in NBA Finals

Magic Johnson joined ESPN's "Get Up" on Thursday to talk NBA Finals and what Tyrese Haliburton had to do to get Pacers across the finish line.

www.indystar.com

""I think the commentary is always going to be what it is, you know?" Haliburton said. "Most of the time, the talking heads on the major platforms, I couldn't care less. Honestly, like what do they really know about basketball?"

Haha!

 

[Cyientist]

""I think the commentary is always going to be what it is, you know?" Haliburton said. "Most of the time, the talking heads on the major platforms, I couldn't care less. Honestly, like what do they really know about basketball?"

Haha!

It's all so ridiculous. Hali was asked the question about the critics, then the critics act like he went out of his way to bring it up. He has said plenty of times that he needs to play better.

He is getting killed for his first two games in the finals, yet in game 1 he hit the game winner and was +12 in a 1 point victory on the road in his first NBA Finals game. He was bad in game 2, but the bar is never to win both road games.

I really enjoy listening to Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe during this run. Bill is starting to throw out a "Step Up" bit that basically mocks ESPN for their level of analysis is X player needs to step up.

 

[Frak]

Kind of similar to the ISU Mbb teams of the past few years. We go into the season thinking we’re plenty deep. But, as the season goes on, we learn that some of that depth can’t be trusted as much against good teams. And then we play with such intensity and effort that our players get a little worn down and we start losing games in February.

Seems like okc has shortened the minutes for their deeper reserves and their starters are a little gassed at the ends of games.

 

[clone4life82]

If you want to get mad, watch this bull ****. It's completely ridiculous.

What a fuggin putz. Pot meet kettle

 

[clone4life82]

Good point. I think he's getting better defensively, but even with the Pacers, he's not the choice for a lock down defender.

Still, I would have liked to see Kerr play him more. Would they have beaten Serbia in the semifinals by more than just 4 points, for example, if Hali played 8-10 minutes? Don't know. And I think he could have, should have seen some time against France, in the final.

But Kerr did what he thought he needed to do. USA got the gold!

On ball he’s not that good but he makes some really heady plays doubling down and also covering the passing lanes.

 

[clone52]

On ball he’s not that good but he makes some really heady plays doubling down and also covering the passing lanes.

Its definitely an area he could improve upon.